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    Olympics 2018 Olympics - Pyeongchang (KOR) - 14-25 February 2018 - Men

    Group A:
    Canada
    Czech Republic
    Switzerland
    Korea

    Group B:

    OAR
    USA
    Slovakia
    Slovenia

    Group C:

    Sweden
    Finland
    Norway
    Germany

    Tournament schedule:
    http://pyeongchang2018.iihf.hockey/men/games/

    Tournament format:
    http://pyeongchang2018.iihf.hockey/men/information/

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    Olympics 2018 Olympics - Pyeongchang (KOR) - 10-22 February 2018 - Women

    Group A:
    USA
    Canada
    Finland
    OAR

    Group B:
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    Japan
    Korea

    Tournament schedule:
    http://pyeongchang2018.iihf.hockey/women/games/

    Tournament format:
    http://pyeongchang2018.iihf.hockey/women/information/

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    So if I'm reading this correctly, you can lose all 3 of your preliminary round games and still be in the playoffs. This is probably good news for Canada and the US since they may need longer to get their systems going. On the other hand if you win your group you get a bye and that is a nice bennie with a lot of games in a short time. (By conventional standards) Canada is an old team - I wonder how they rank age wise this year ?

    I look at a team like Switzerland who are competitive at the WCh. They typically add a few NHLers and its never obvious if that helps or hurts in the short term. This year they will have a strong nucleus without the confusion of adding at the last minute. Should be an interesting tournament, pretty wide open who gets the hardware.

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    Sweden Sweden - Roster

    Goaltenders:
    Enroth Jhonas - Dynamo Minsk (KHL)
    Fasth Viktor - Växjö (SHL)
    Hellberg Magnus - Kunlun (KHL)

    Defencemen:
    Kronwall Staffan - Lokomotiv Yaroslavl (KHL)
    Wikstrand Mikael - Färjestads (SHL)
    Hersley Patrik - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Fransson Johan - Genève-Servette (NLA)
    Bertilsson Simon - Brynäs (SHL)
    Dahlin Rasmus - Frölunda (SHL)
    Gustafsson Erik - Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk (KHL)
    Ahnelöv Jonas - Avangard Omsk (KHL)

    Forwards:
    Lindström Joakim - Skellefteå (SHL)
    Pettersson Fredrik - ZSC (NLA)
    Lindholm Pär - Skellefteå (SHL)
    Everberg Dennis - Avangard Omsk (KHL)
    Lundqvist Joel - Frölunda (SHL)
    Bergström Alexander - Sibir Novisibirsk (KHL)
    Stålberg Viktor - EV Zug (NLA)
    Axelsson Dick - Färjestads (SHL)
    Möller Oscar - Skellefteå (SHL)
    Klingberg Carl - EV Zug (NLA)
    Lander Anton - AK Bars Kazan (KHL)
    Omark Linus - Salavat Yulaev Ufa (KHL)

    Two additional forwards will be added later.

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    Russia Russia - Roster

    Goaltenders:
    Vasily Koshechkin - Metallurg Magnitogorsk (KHL)
    Ilya Sorokin - CSKA Moskva (KHL)
    Igor Shestyorkin - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)

    Defencemen:
    Vyacheslav Voynov - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Vladislav Gavrikov - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Artyom Zub - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Andrei Zubarev - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Bogdan Kiselevich - CSKA Moskva (KHL)
    Alexei Marchenko - CSKA Moskva (KHL)
    Nikita Nesterov - CSKA Moskva (KHL)
    Dinar Khafizullin - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)

    Forwards:
    Sergei Andronov - CSKA Moskva (KHL)
    Alexander Barabanov - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Mikhail Grigorenko - CSKA Moskva (KHL)
    Nikita Gusev - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Pavel Datsyuk - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Ilya Kablukov - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Sergei Kalinin - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Kirill Kaprizov - CSKA Moskva (KHL)
    Ilya Kovalchuk - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Sergei Mozyakin - Metallurg Magnitogorsk (KHL)
    Nikolai Prokhorkin - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Ivan Telegin - CSKA Moskva (KHL)
    Vadim Shipachyov - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)
    Sergei Shirokov - SKA St Petersburg (KHL)

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    Korea will have a women's team with a final roster of 35 players thanks to the inclusion of a dozen players from the North. Game day rosters will be the normal size, however, a minimum of three DPRK players must be on Sarah Murray's lineup sheet.

    The team will play under the unification flag, unlike the men, and will also have a different designation, COR. I understand the French influence in the IOC (ROU = Romania? Not even in Romanian or Hungarian!), yet the Russian OAR is based on English - the French abbreviation should be AOR, no? Surely they could have done KUN or KUT for "Korean Unified Team" or something like that?
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    Tough break for the ladies on the South team. I understand the political idea here but this is a team game and having 12 strangers foisted on you at the last minute isn't cool. Especially since they are in over their heads anyway.

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    Norway Norway - Roster

    Goaltenders:
    Lars Haugen - Färjestad (SHL)
    Henrik Haukeland - Timrå (Allsvenskan)
    Henrik Holm - Stavanger

    Defencemen:
    Alexander Bonsaksen - Iserlohn (DEL)
    Stefan Espeland - Klagenfurter (EBEL)
    Jonas Holøs - Fribourg-Gottéron (NLA)
    Johannes Johannesen - Stavanger
    Erlend Lesund - Mora (SHL)
    Mattias Nørstebø - Frölunda (SHL)
    Daniel Sørvik - Litvinov (CZE-Extraliga)
    Henrik Ødegaard - Frisk Asker

    Forwards:
    Anders Bastiansen - Frisk Asker
    Kristian Forsberg - Stavanger
    Ludvig Hoff - Uni. North Dakota (NCAA)
    Tommy Kristiansen - Sparta Sarpsborg
    Ken André Olimb - Linköping (SHL)
    Mathis Olimb - Linköping (SHL)
    Aleksander Reichenberg - Sparta Praha (CZE-Extraliga)
    Niklas Roest - Sparta Sarpsborg
    Mats Rosseli Olsen - Frölunda (SHL)
    Martin Røymark - Modo (Allsvenskan)
    Eirik Salsten -Stavanger
    Patrick Thoresen - SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)
    Steffen Thoresen - Storhamar
    Mathias Trettenes - Stavanger

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    So...anyone making predictions ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Wagon View Post
    So...anyone making predictions ?
    I predict this will be the least watched Olympic tournament in living memory....in North America anyway.
    After five tournaments with NHLers we now have essentially a bunch of no name teams playing games in the wee small hours of the morning.
    I may not even bother setting my PVR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatleysucks View Post
    After five tournaments with NHLers we now have essentially a bunch of no name teams playing games in the wee small hours of the morning.
    Canada is a no name team?

    My prediction is we'll see a pretty competitive men's tournament. I'll have to put the Korean men in last place but only because there won't be placement games. I think they would steal a game from in that situation. They're in a tough group and goal differential is a factor in final ranking.

    Women's tournament is wide open. Between Canada and USA, that is. The fight for semifinal placings and bronze should be pretty exciting though. Asian sides will finish out the standings and with Japan still stronger than a Korean peninsula team, I'll favor Smile Japan for 7th. I wouldn't be shocked to see Japan in a semifinal, mind you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trim View Post
    Canada is a no name team?
    Well, unless you think the likes of Rene Bourque, Chris Kelly, Ben Scrivens and Derek Roy are 'names'....
    Most of the other players I have honestly never before heard of.

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    No name players, perhaps. Ben Scrivens is a big name. If he stays in his crease and doesn't play the puck, he tends to be a bit more anonymous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Wagon View Post
    So...anyone making predictions ?
    The team formerly known as Team Russia is going to win gold, if you ask me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conesy View Post
    The team formerly known as Team Russia is going to win gold, if you ask me
    Hmmm, the team of "Olympic athletes from Russia*" formerly known as the Soviet Union competed under the Olympic flag in '92 and how did that go?

    Deja vu if Conesy's prophecy comes true.

    * Only one player from that team played for another national team and even he represented Russia in between, good ol' Kasparaitis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trim View Post
    Hmmm, the team of "Olympic athletes from Russia*" formerly known as the Soviet Union competed under the Olympic flag in '92 and how did that go?

    Deja vu if Conesy's prophecy comes true.

    * Only one player from that team played for another national team and even he represented Russia in between, good ol' Kasparaitis.
    That 1992 team that won in Albertville was a little more star studded than this year's team.
    Only about 3-4 players on that team didn't play in the NHL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatleysucks View Post
    That 1992 team that won in Albertville was a little more star studded than this year's team.
    Only about 3-4 players on that team didn't play in the NHL.
    True but I think the NHL-experience argument doesn't hold much weight this year based on who is available. The KHL could be the benchmark league and no surprise that Russia has the most KHLers...

    Either way, Trollish Gary dropped the ball.
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    Pretty expected results so far in the women's tournament.

    I'm curious to how IIHF will handle the world ranking this year. Not all teams are playing, Korea has a joint team and Russia is not officially competing as Russia.
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    Sweden's women blanked Korea 8-0. So, that's two straight games of losing 8-0 for the latter-yikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conesy View Post
    Sweden's women blanked Korea 8-0. So, that's two straight games of losing 8-0 for the latter-yikes.
    Actually, not allowing double digits in either game constitutes a victory of sorts IMO.
    It must be remembered that this Korean team is a composite team made of of players from both Koreas.
    South Korea is actually 17th in IIHF World rankings...not bad relatively speaking.
    But the North Koreans are ranked 28th...so it might be fair to say the additions from the North might be more of a hindrance than a help.
    There are two countries from last year's worlds that are noticeably absent from these games.
    The Czechs, who were winless in three games but allowed just 7 goals and the Germans, who actually won Group B and finished 4th in last year's worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatleysucks View Post
    Actually, not allowing double digits in either game constitutes a victory of sorts IMO.
    It must be remembered that this Korean team is a composite team made of of players from both Koreas.
    South Korea is actually 17th in IIHF World rankings...not bad relatively speaking.
    But the North Koreans are ranked 28th...so it might be fair to say the additions from the North might be more of a hindrance than a help.
    There are two countries from last year's worlds that are noticeably absent from these games.
    The Czechs, who were winless in three games but allowed just 7 goals and the Germans, who actually won Group B and finished 4th in last year's worlds.
    The World Rankings on Wikipedia are a little ahead of themselves. By the official rankings, ROK are 22nd and DPRK 25th.

    The IIHF has to stop publishing stories about the parity in the women's Olympic tournament and comparing it to anything from Vancouver and back. The final seeds do not open their tournament playing the top seed anymore as Kazakhstan ('02), Italy ('06) and Slovakia ('10) had to. The Koreans have probably (can't watch games here) fared about as well as expected. Considering they were threatened without getting the autobid, Heatleysucks is absolutely right about it being a positive to have only lost 8-0. I hope they get a goal as Japan and Italy managed to do when they were routinely shellacked in 1998 and 2006.
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    Switzerland beats Sweden 2-1, and thus continuing their impressive run so far
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    It was the opinion of most observers that this would be a wide open men's tournament.
    In the first two matches, we are seeing possible evidence of that.
    The Americans are leading Slovenia 2-1 in the 3rd period and the favoured OAR is tied with Slovakia 2-2 after 40 minutes.

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    Two pretty surprises in the first two games of the men's tournament as Slovenia beats the USA 3:2 in Overtime coming back from a 2:0 deficit early on and tying the game with their goalie pulled. Almost the same story in the other game, the Russians jump to an early 2:0 lead against Slovakia (without a single player from the country's top club Slovan Bratislava) but lose it 3:2. Znaroks looked not amused at all.

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    Great day to start this party rocking. Congratulations to the 2 underdogs, especially coming back from a pair in both cases.

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    Both big upsets but comparing them, the US team had only a handful of practices...they can be excused for a slow start to this affair. On the other hand the OAR is essentially the standing team...who knows what's going on with them ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    Two pretty surprises in the first two games of the men's tournament as Slovenia beats the USA 3:2 in Overtime coming back from a 2:0 deficit early on and tying the game with their goalie pulled. Almost the same story in the other game, the Russians jump to an early 2:0 lead against Slovakia (without a single player from the country's top club Slovan Bratislava) but lose it 3:2. Znaroks looked not amused at all.
    I don't think this really matters as most best players from Slovan are not Slovaks.

    What is more interesting is that we had a team almost half of which plays in Slovak league beat players from top KHL teams. Given that I think it matters even less that Slovakia played with no players from the bottom feeder KHL team.
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    Well, no surprises in the next round unless we count Korea keeping it close. I was surprised Canada got off to such a good start especially since the Swiss have been a major thorn since Turin. Roy and Borque looked good & Scrivens was solid. The team isn't bad, just a bit on the mature side. I always thought Raymond Mason was a decent player and I wonder if some of these guys are NHL caliber talent, just not able to maintain that level for 80 games.

    US women look dominant. Unless Canada can pick it up somehow I don't see them surviving another onslaught like that.

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    Eeli Tolvanen scored twice and Finland beat Norway 5-1, and Sweden held on to shutout Germany 1-0. Also, OAR pounded Slovenia 8-2 and the US beat Slovakia 2-1.
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    I still don't understand what gets you a bye into the quarters. The criteria looks overly complicated and apparently can take into account your IIHF ranking ??? Seems odd - why should prior performance have anything to do with this year ?

    Anyway, I would have assumed SVK would be in, assuming they beat SLO and OAR beats the US. I expect the US will continue to improve as the tournament goes on but don't think they can handle OAR just yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Wagon View Post
    I still don't understand what gets you a bye into the quarters. The criteria looks overly complicated and apparently can take into account your IIHF ranking ??? Seems odd - why should prior performance have anything to do with this year ?

    Anyway, I would have assumed SVK would be in, assuming they beat SLO and OAR beats the US. I expect the US will continue to improve as the tournament goes on but don't think they can handle OAR just yet.
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    Yes all 12 teams go forward to the knock-out stage. The top team in each group plus the ‘best’ second placed team get a bye into the last 8. The criteria for deciding the ‘best’ are points, goal difference, goals scored then IIHF ranking in that order. The other 8 teams are paired up to play for the other 4 QF places.

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    All teams are ranked after the preliminary games according to:

    Higher position in the group
    Higher number of points
    Better goal difference
    Higher number of goals scored for
    Better 2017 IIHF World Ranking

    The IIHF ranking is the final tie breaker in case two teams end up in the same position in the group with the same points and goal difference and goals scored.

    The first four teams in this ranking gets a bye into the QF. Another way to describe this is that the three group winners and the best runner-up gets the bye.
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    Looks likely that Canada will claim the 4th bye by finishing as the best second place team but you never know until the games have all been played.

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    Czech Republic beat Canada 3-2 in a shootout, and Switzerland blanked Korea 8-0. On the women's side, OAR beat Switzerland 6-2 and Finland beat Sweden 7-2. So, OAR-Canada and USA-Finland in the semifinals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffH View Post
    Looks likely that Canada will claim the 4th bye by finishing as the best second place team but you never know until the games have all been played.

    Geoff
    Still a chance Canada could finish first if the Swiss upset the Czechs in regulation.

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    QUOTE=Heatleysucks;289463]Still a chance Canada could finish first if the Swiss upset the Czechs in regulation.[/QUOTE]

    As sloppy as Canada was last night it might be better to play an extra game. Chance of course you get bounced but gives an extra game to work on systems/line combos, etc. Probably especially true for USA.

    Canada is hopeless at shoot-outs. The only two I recall them ever winning is Sid scoring to beat the Swiss in 2010 and Toews in the U-20s to beat the US even earlier. Otherwise totally dismal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatleysucks View Post
    Still a chance Canada could finish first if the Swiss upset the Czechs in regulation.
    Another way is
    Canada beats Korea
    Finland vs Sweden ends in regulation victory

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ref72 View Post
    Another way is
    Canada beats Korea
    Finland vs Sweden ends in regulation victory
    OK, this scenario is not to finish first in their group rather it's to grab the 4th QF bye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatleysucks View Post
    OK, this scenario is not to finish first in their group rather it's to grab the 4th QF bye?

    Right...and unless you're seeded 1 or 2 I don't think a bye gets you much, other than rest if you need it.

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    With just two games to go in the preliminary group games we pretty much know the seedings for the knockout stages. There is an unlikely combination of results which would see CAN down to 5th seed but 4th is more likely.

    Looks like

    1 FIN or SWE
    2 CZE
    3 OAR
    4 CAN
    5 FIN or SWE
    6 SLO
    7 USA
    8 SUI
    9 GER
    10 SVK
    11 NOR
    12 KOR

    Think that means that OAR will play the winners of SLO v NOR in the QFs.

    CAN should play the losers of today’s SWE v FIN.

    CZE should play USA or SVK.

    Today’s winner of FIN v SWE should play the winners of SUI v GER

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    Watched the first period of the Women's semi between USA and Finland.
    Could not believe the non call on US captain's Meghan Duggan knee on knee hit on a Finnish player.
    The Finn was put out of the game with what looked like a serious injury...no call.
    Atrocious.
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    US beat Finland 5-0 to advance to the gold medal game
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conesy View Post
    US beat Finland 5-0 to advance to the gold medal game
    Canada beats OAR by an identical 5-0 score to advance to their 6th consecutive gold medal game.
    The game ended on a sour note as Russian forward Yevgenia Dyupina ran Canadian goaltender Shannon Szabados behind her net as she was handling the puck.
    It was a dirty and meaningless play that obviously was borne out of frustration.
    Inexcusable, though.

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    Play-in games look interesting. Other than Fin - Korea they could go either way. Speaking of Korea, they haven't disgraced themselves and played as well as could be expected.

    The old timers on CAN can probably use the rest especially since I thought FIN looked good against Sweden.

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    America beats Slovakia 5-1 to advance to the quarterfinals against the Czechs
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    Norway comes from behind to beat Slovenia 2-1, and Finland was pushed by Korea but ultimately won 5-2. So, the quarterfinals are set: NOR-OAR, FIN-CAN, USA-CZE, SWE-GER.
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    SVK knocks off the Russians and then......I don't get it. I'm picking CFR over NOR, FIN over CAN, USA over CZE and SWE over GER.

    And the US woman for the gold.

    And Trump in 2020.

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