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    Ok, here it is: I have asked the Vienna Hockey Federation (in person of its president) to put up the selects team when I started to plan the whole thing. They agreed and also said they would provide the ice time in the newly built rink 3 of the Albert-Schulz Eishalle under the reduced rental price. Rink 3 of the complex is perfect for such games (nice bar enclosed, seats for about 1000 persons) but the Vienna Capitals who run the whole facility two weeks ago prohibited the use of the rink under the special conditions (that is 150.- Euro for 3 hours) claiming that a foreign team being involved in the game does not qualify it to be run on subsidized ice time. Instead we would have to pay the normal price (1.100 Euro, a bargain). So we had the paradoxical situation that the Vienna Hockey Federation was not allowed to have a selection of its players play against a national team on a guest stay in Vienna on the own ice time contingent (in a building paid from tax money!!!) and we therefore had to move the game to the rink where the other games and the practices were (and are) to be held. The players of the selects team (which was in the making) then somehow said they are not interested to go and play at the othe rink and the thing was dead.
    As a subsitute we tried to get the winners of the Vienna league involved but they couldn't get enough players together. One of these guys however is involved with HC Breclav (Breclav is pretty close to Vienna) because his son plays there and he organized them to send a team.

    The players we will add for Totonka are all amateurs playing in either the Vienna city league (including this league's top scorer) or one tier above (Oberliga). They played with guys from Totonka in the juniors previously and with them and our core of best players we will have 3 pretty ok lines. In this setting I think we are at least as strong as the top teams in the Vienna City league. But we will see ;-)

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    Hmmmm......three cheers for Vienna U. Totonka, the Vienna Hockey federation and HC Breclav (and of course to you and Felix).

    Note to self: NEVER cheer for the Vienna Capitals.

    Oh, and those VU jerseys look pretty cool.......any shot of getting a goaltender sized one for a goalie of my size? Tell me how much and I'll paypal the money over to you.

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    As for whether your team will be competitive with the Israelis......who knows?

    As with every year, it depends on who Israel can cobble together.

    If they get Oren Eizenman, Daniel Erlich, Eliezer Sherbatov and Dan Spivak, they should be fine in the prep games and at the tournament.

    If not..............

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    No Eizenman No Ehrlich Yes Spivak yes Sherbatov

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    No Eizenman No Ehrlich Yes Spivak yes Sherbatov
    If Barrie is still alive in the OHL playoffs (which I have no had time to follow), then I can understand Erlich not being there.

    Disappointing to see Eizenman not make his return to the national team given that the old federation leadership has been swept away.

    G-d bless Spivak & Sherbatov for not deserting the blue and white.

    If they have the same roster as last year, I still think they can be competitive in heir group.

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    Worse roster 4 th place max


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    Team Israel,Worse roster old players:LEVY Itzhak,LEVY Shlomo,BOTBOL Nissim,AVNERI Tal,SOREANU Ron,GUSIN Jevgeni,LEBEDEV Marek-this is only for NHL(Night Hockey League),next yer team play division 3

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    Last yers roster:PLAYER STATISTICS BY TEAM ISR - Israel

    As of SUN 17 APR 2011
    Including Game 15

    Playing Statistics
    No Name Pos GP G A PTS PIM +/ - GWG PPG SHG SOG SG%

    1 SOROTZKI Avihu GK 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
    2 KOREN Ofir F 4 0 0 0 4 +6 0 0 0 4 0.00
    3 MALACHI Kai D 4 0 1 1 0 +3 0 0 0 3 0.00
    4 SHWARZMAN Vitali F 4 1 1 2 0 +2 0 1 0 8 12.50
    5 KNITER Evgeni F 4 4 1 5 6 +5 0 1 0 7 57.14
    7 SHERBATOV Eliezer F 4 14 12 26 0 +22 1 4 3 30 46.67
    8 LEVY Itzhak F 4 2 2 4 2 +3 0 1 0 8 25.00
    10 FRENKEL Sergei F 4 11 11 22 4 +21 1 3 0 31 35.48
    11 NORMAN Shon F 4 1 5 6 0 +6 0 0 0 8 12.50
    12 LEBEDEV Marek F 4 2 2 4 2 +3 1 0 0 7 28.57
    13 MAZOUR Daniel F 4 11 7 18 10 +18 1 2 1 28 39.29
    14 AVNERI Tal F 4 1 1 2 4 +9 0 0 0 4 25.00
    15 BOCHNER Daniel D 2 1 2 3 0 -1 0 1 0 4 25.00
    16 GELLER Avishai F 4 2 5 7 8 +9 0 1 0 11 18.18
    18 SPIVAK Daniel D 4 0 10 10 0 +16 0 0 0 15 0.00
    20 AMROMIN Boris GK 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
    22 COOPER Sean F 4 0 2 2 0 +4 0 0 0 2 0.00
    23 OZ Ran D 4 1 3 4 18 +17 0 1 0 8 12.50
    24 BOULAKHOV Anton F 4 1 1 2 0 +2 0 0 0 2 50.00


    SCORING LEADERS
    As of SUN 17 APR 2011
    Including Game 15
    (Ranked by highest PTS/ highest G/ lowest GP)
    Rank Name No Team Pos GP G A PTS PIM +/-
    1 SHERBATOV Eliezer 7 ISR F 4 14 12 26 0 +22
    2 FRENKEL Sergei 10 ISR F 4 11 11 22 4 +21
    3 MAZOUR Daniel 13 ISR F 4 11 7 18 10 +18
    4 BERAN Robert 11 LUX F 4 4 8 12 31 +8
    5 BERAN Thierry 21 LUX F 4 4 7 11 0 +4
    6 BIRRELL Cameron 15 RSA F 4 4 6 10 4 +5
    7 SPIVAK Daniel 18 ISR D 4 0 10 10 0 +16
    8 MAGMOED Deen 5 RSA F 4 6 3 9 4 +9
    9 AKTURK Savas 18 TUR D 4 4 5 9 10 +5
    10 GIOT Marc 9 RSA F 4 1 8 9 6 +8
    11 CARDOSO Damian 10 RSA F 4 5 3 8 6 +8
    11 WELTER Benny 10 LUX F 4 5 3 8 2 0
    13 MATTHEWS Burton 7 RSA D 4 2 6 8 47 +6
    14 COSKUN Erdogan 10 TUR F 4 3 4 7 0 +7
    14 MARAIS Andre 12 RSA D 4 3 4 7 8 +8
    16 GELLER Avishai 16 ISR F 4 2 5 7 8 +9
    16 MILLER Gareth 6 RSA F 4 2 5 7 4 +6
    18 LYON George 19 RSA F 4 4 2 6 6 +7
    19 OZMEN Emrah 14 TUR F 4 3 3 6 0 +6
    20 GUMUS Serkan 8 TUR F 4 2 4 6 6 -1
    21 NORMAN Shon 11 ISR F 4 1 5 6 0 +6
    22 KNITER Evgeni 5 ISR F 4 4 1 5 6 +5

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    Ehrlich should be out... So u see what I was saying about 4th place being a miracle

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    do you need an israelie passport to be a pat of team israel

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadianhockey89 View Post
    do you need an israelie passport to be a pat of team israel
    Yes, that is an IIHF requirement for any national team in their competitions.

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    I don't think the roster looks too bad, actually.

    If anything, it looks pretty solid.

    Granted, with a healthy Birbraer, Eizenman, & Erlich all there, they would have been favorites to win the group, in my opinion.

    However, there's no reason to think that, in this group, they can't still compete even without those guys.

    Spivak, Bochner and Oz make a solid top 3 on defense.

    Sherbatov, Mazour & Frenkel should be a solid top 3 on offense.

    Avihu should be fine in goal at this level....I'm hoping he plays the tournament of his life. I'm confident he will.

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    Now Israel team like Oh, well a combination of beginners and Bantam level players.

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    Birbraer, ehrlich, Eizenman are OUT


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    Quote Originally Posted by piphockey View Post
    Now Israel team like Oh, well a combination of beginners and Bantam level players.
    Sprinkled with some talent, Gussin will be in the net. I have hopes for Trebochian and Malahi


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    You guys amaze me....show a little faith in the team's roster, will you please?

    Sherbatov is a pro who played Major Junior and plays in the French elite league.

    Spivak just ended an NCAA D.I career which saw him rise to the position of captain with RIT, and he just signed with Reading of the ECHL.

    Gussin & Bochner & Geller all have minor pro experience.

    Frenkel played CIS hockey, which is a level of play above that of the tournament's.

    Mazour plays relatively high level hockey in Canada.

    They have a Stanley Cup winning coach.

    The vast majority of them may not be pro level, but they are NOT beginners or 'bantam level' players.

    As long as they have a greater faith in themselves than you guys seem to have in them, they will be just fine and will do well in Sofia, even missing Birbraer (injured), Eizenman & Erlich.

    I have faith in this roster, and believe that they will do well in Sofia.

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    Gussin has MAJOR pro expirience

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    http://israhockey.co.il/index.php?op...mid=56&lang=ru

    AMong the people above Viktor did not mention our own Marc Brunengraber, who over past years have many timesgave Israeli Ice hockey considerable financial and pr support. Our own Felix and RexKramer organized it.

    As expected, much like in USA ,Vienniese and Austrian Jewish Community did not give a penny or a gram of any kind of support

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    Max Birbraer is the Dustin McGowan of the Israeli National Hockey Team lol

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    there is a chance Gussin might be out

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    How bad would that be? I mean he isn't getting any younger, but how far from his standard is Sorotzky or Amromin? Both seem relatively experienced as well. No young an upcoming goaltenders in Israeli hockey?

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    Sorotzky has some natural ability, is in his late twenties, just came back from a Canadian goalie camp with an ex-NHL'er, and should, in my view, be the starter.

    Gussin was amazing for many, many years (and is a legitimate Israeli hockey hero) but he is nearly 44 years old and is a shadow of what he once was.

    Amromin was very good as well in the 1990's, but is also not what he once was......although with him, it is, in my opinion, strictly a matter of him showing the desire and self confidence he once displayed at international competitions but seems to have lost. He is still in his thirties and would be fine if he regained that competitive fire that he used to display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHawks View Post
    How bad would that be? I mean he isn't getting any younger, but how far from his standard is Sorotzky or Amromin? Both seem relatively experienced as well. No young an upcoming goaltenders in Israeli hockey?
    Dan Amar is good

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    First bunch of guys flew in yesterday, group of good men, they wanted to hit the ice right away this morning but unfortunately the rink was booked. Vienna University Totonka is looking forward to the game tonight, we hope to get some action videotaped. I'm off to the airport now, will keep you guys posted, probably with some live updates from tonight. As for the netminding question on team ISR, what I can say already now is that Mr. Sorotzky will fill a big part of the net just by being there...huge guy, one gotta aim well to get the puck past him ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    there is a chance Gussin might be out
    I can confirm this, he's not in Vienna.

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    Dude I know, question is is he coming to Sofia


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    Wölfie u r not a small man yourself either!


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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    Dude I know, question is is he coming to Sofia


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    O....Well, I'm pretty sure he's not coming to sofia as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hckeyguy25 View Post
    O....Well, I'm pretty sure he's not coming to sofia as well.
    Yuo never know

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    Yuo never know
    Very true, no one knows here for sure.

    90% of the team is here in Vienna, now getting ready for 1st game tonight

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    8-5 Israel vs Totonka!

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    Any stats?

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    Good game from both teams, clean and still with lots of intensity (minus some jet lag though), absolutely fitting match for the Israelis to start their campaign. Eli Sherbatov was lethal but Totonka battled bravely. I loved ever minute of it and my boys were really proud to play against a national team - that's a once in a lifetime oppurtunity for a club like us.
    After an almost 20 hour day of organizing and making things happen I'm looking forward to tomorrow, the Czechs will be a very tough test for Israel. More on the topic later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neugs View Post
    Any stats?
    Team Israel took care of the game sheet after the match, will get myself a copy tomorrow and post the details. All I remember for now is that Totonka took a very early lead and that RexKramer finished the game with one long shift and a +1 rating ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    Team Israel took care of the game sheet after the match, will get myself a copy tomorrow and post the details. All I remember for now is that Totonka took a very early lead and that RexKramer finished the game with one long shift and a +1 rating ;-)
    Hmmmm......did you skate against Sherbatov & Spivak?

    VERY cool that you ended with a +1 rating.

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    This is a university for fun club team kind of thing?

    We're all proud of you Rex

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    Yuo never know
    I'm hearing he will be in Sofia on Monday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Hmmmm......did you skate against Sherbatov & Spivak?

    VERY cool that you ended with a +1 rating.
    Spivak didn't play, not with the team yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neugs View Post
    This is a university for fun club team kind of thing?

    We're all proud of you Rex
    Totonka is the semi-(un)official hockey club of the Vienna universities. We are basically a beer/for fun (we have plenty of both) league club with a quite diverse range of skill among the players which come from a fairly high number of countries (AUT, GER, ITA, CZE, SVK, CAN, USA). Our top guys have pretty good junior hockey experience (we have for instance a former Italian NT U18 and U20 player and an AUT U20 NT player who was at the WJC 2 years ago) and on the lower end there's guys like me who have started late but are not completely talent free (although in my case...). Against Israel we had to go without 4 of our very best guys but brought in 7 players from other teams that are of the same background but chose to play one league higher in Vienna than Totonka does. So we definitely raised our average level by bringing the reinforcements in but not necessarily the top level within the team. That said, for me Sherbatov was the big difference yesterday...without him it would likely have been a completely even contest.

    In my shift (I put myself in for the last 2minutes) Sherbatov was actually on the ice ;-) once he skated towards me breaking into our zone and I was already starting to get dizzy but he made a drop pass that didn't connect so pretended that I had fended him off (bad breath maybe).

    I am really looking forward to see Israel against Breclav tonight. The Czechs will come with their U20 team plus a line of (young) senior players. One can expect that the are well working as a team and that all players are on a high skill level. I expect this game to be a tough test for Israel.

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    Israel lost the second game in Vienna 5:7 against HC Breclav who played with mostly U20 players and a handful of seniors. Game was way more intense than yesterday, plenty of penalties, a fight and a good deal of hitting. The Sherbatov line carried Israel while the Czechs had 3 quite equal lines.good test for Israeln, especially for the more physical side of the game.

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    WOW On Breslav result !!
    VEry impressive ! Felix told me that TOtonka would beat the Polar Bears and thats all I want to know- its a strong team ! Good job Wolfie !!

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    sor.jpg

    This is Ron Soreanu's bag on arrival to Vienna on Toronto-Dusseldorf-Vienna flight on Lufthansa

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    That's disgusting.

    That's a crime in Germany, not sure about in Austria.

    It's possible it was caught on a videotape; the Israeli consulate should really get involved and ask for an investigation by both countries into Lufthansa and all airports involved.

    I hope that G-d metes out justice to the @****le who did that, and that the Israeli guys use it as motivation to go win in Bulgaria.

    The team got pretty good results in the test games.......I really think they can compete in Bulgaria.

    If they play their best, they can beat South Africa and Mexico, and maybe Bulgaria, and they could possibly eke out an upset over China and compete decently with Belgium.

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    Wolfgang, on behalf of the Israeli & worldwide Jewish hockey communities, thank you so very much for what you have done for the Israeli national hockey program. You have been a true friend and really gone out of your way, with much hard work and planning, to help the team prepare for the Worlds. The test games will, in my opinion, really help the Israelis in Bulgaria.

    I'm sure the games gave the guys a chance to develop some chemistry with each other, gave them valuable practice time and game experience, and gave the coaching staff a chance to evaluate the team and teach the players and make corrections, coordinate the best possible line combinations, and develop offensive and defensive strategies based upon what they observed in the games.

    A huge thank you is owed to you, and to your club. Also to HC Breclav.

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    Marc Wolfie is a hero of Israeli Hockey!!

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    The federation should hook him up with a jersey or a jacket, if that hasn't been done already.

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    With the one strong line a win over south Africa is pretty much set IMO, Mexico should be a good game, and China IS beatable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    I hope that G-d metes out justice to the @****le who did that, and that the Israeli guys use it as motivation to go win in Bulgaria.
    Let's put this into plain English: whatever motherfucker thought it funny to do that, I hope that God metes out justice, or that a group of local youths puts him into a coma for his iPod and wallet. The one thing in the world I probably have the LEAST patience for is swastika-brandishing neo-Nazi bullshit. Honestly. I'm going to stop myself before ranting on about what I would personally do if I saw someone pull that kind of shit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post

    This is Ron Soreanu's bag on arrival to Vienna on Toronto-Dusseldorf-Vienna flight on Lufthansa
    I didn't want to bring the issue up yet but I can tell you when we learned at the airport why the group with Ron was so late getting out I felt as embarrassed as hardly ever before in my life because of this. As the guys were reasoning it seems to be more likely that it happened in Düsseldorf than in Vienna but that, and the fact that I'm not responsible for the person who did that doesn't change a bit how much it pissed me off. That said the case was brought to the attention of the police at the airport and as the officer told me was to be reported to special unit in the ministry of the interior as it qualifies as a politically motivated crime (the use of Nazi symbols in Austria is prohibited by law).
    Without knowing what kind of anti-semitism is the root for this (it could imho have either a muslim extremist or a Nazi background) I dispise it and I a appreciate a lot that the guys did not let it bring them down a bit. Strong characters.

    By the way, I got to go to bed now, just came hom at 3:30 from the emergency dentist where I had to take a kid from the team who has made aquaintance with a Czech elbow during the game tonight. He will smile with two incissors less now ;-)

    And now stop praising me, although I know I deserve it...because I have gotten through weeks of intense contact culminating in personal presence of Felix without getting nuts. That's an achievement ;-)

    PS: Among other things I was given an brand new Israel jersey with my name on and...this is special for me. Almost as much as the feedback from the team I got. It really feels good.

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    Wolfie, I know how u feel - welcome to my life 1 yr ago .. ha ha

    In honor of your effort this week I'm playing only in GW Austria jersey - Altman

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