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    15.12.12 - Semi-finals

    Luleå HF - UPC Vienna Capitals 2:0 (0:0, 0:0, 2:0)
    1:0 - 44.04 Lukas Kilström (Ch.Abbott)
    2:0 - 57.03 Toni Koivisto
    PIM: 4x2 - 2x2+1x5x20 SOG: 41-20 Att: 2850

    Tappara Tampere - Färjestad BK 1:3 (0:0, 1:1, 0:2)
    0:1 - 25.30 Rickard Wallin (Berglund, Lee)
    1:1 - 37.44 Jarno Koskiranta (Erkinjutti, Foster)
    1:2 - 54.24 Rickard Wallin(2) (Lajunen, Berglund)
    1:3 - 59.42 Marius Holtet (Aslund) EN
    PIM: 7x2 - 8x2 SOG: 27-33 Att: 2038

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    Congrats to Luleå, pretty good final, the second goal was hilarious, Pettersson-Wentzel putting it right onto the stick of Vihko for the easy goal. Three years in, three different Champions, pretty good tournament this year overall, couple surprises and some major disappointments, Chomutov was most surprising for me, I hope they are welcomed back next season. Still wish the tournament would remove auto-qualifier and welcome in some Champions from lower leagues, GET-Ligaen, BOL, Ligue Magnus, etc, would add to the tournament I think.

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    Seems not popular touney among fans. Especially if Slovan´s attendance in 10 055 all the time.

    KHL >>> European Trophy
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    Quote Originally Posted by JankS View Post
    Interestingly this one was completely dominated by Farjestad, they look quicker skating and quicker passing. Somehow it seems KHL middle table teams appear to play too much positionally right and too slow.
    that was training for Slovan, everybody here knew it before game started
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    16.12.12 - Finals

    Luleå HF - Färjestad BK 2:0 (1:0, 0:0, 1:0)
    1:0 - 11.15 Joonas Vihko (Persson)
    2:0 - 53.05 Joonas Vihko(2)
    PIM: 6x2 - 4x2 SOG: 28-35 Att: 1752

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    Yea, congrats to Lulea, great tournament this year, good performance by teams in final, they delivered real feeling of that play-off hockey. Only disappointment this year was empty arenas in Bratislava and Vienna, it could be great to change format of this final competition to stage these games in home arenas of participating teams with higher spectator interest.
    Adding champions of Norway, France, Italy, Latvia, Belorussia could be great but then some rules should be established how teams can qualify for this tournament.

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    Congratulation to the Swedes for qualifying 4 teams in a final of 8 in pre-season/training
    tournement.

    I am not critising RED BULL because at least they are organising something, which can not be
    said of the IIHF.

    The public interest is ridiculous. In Switzerland you don't even get live ticker of swiss teams
    games and have to search for results.

    What we need in Europe is a REAL CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, wich over the years establishes itself
    and creates real derby revalries between teams (ex ZSClions-Eisbaeren) drawing more and more
    interest and crowd. Only with consistancy will this work. NOt one year yes four years no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibizajp View Post
    What we need in Europe is a REAL CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, wich over the years establishes itself
    and creates real derby revalries between teams (ex ZSClions-Eisbaeren) drawing more and more
    interest and crowd. Only with consistancy will this work. NOt one year yes four years no.
    wont happen. KHL is a solution. Lets be realistic
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    Quote Originally Posted by vorky View Post
    wont happen. KHL is a solution. Lets be realistic
    If all clubs participating in European trophy final Red Bull Salute could join KHL then we could have real European hockey league with strongest European hockey clubs participating in real league. Unfortunately this doesn't seem realistic for nearest future.

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    We have been through this discussion before in the forum. What is realistic? what is utopia? in
    complicated EURO hockey. Very clever the one who knows.

    I am in favour of a strong Continental(Euro/Russia) league with conference and division. But it
    is just my DREAM.

    KHL(under another name) is a possibility in today's context but NEVER in its actual form and
    model. IT would have to reposition itself. It can not ignore the other established strong
    leagues who are doing pretty well by themselves.

    The expansion of KHL is a fact but up to now only to former Soviet Satellites. The real KHL
    breakthrough has to be made with a team from a Sweden, Finland, Switzerland or Germany. Then it
    might have a domino effect.

    In the meantime we need a REAL CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibizajp View Post
    We have been through this discussion before in the forum. What is realistic? what is utopia? in
    complicated EURO hockey. Very clever the one who knows.

    I am in favour of a strong Continental(Euro/Russia) league with conference and division. But it
    is just my DREAM.

    KHL(under another name) is a possibility in today's context but NEVER in its actual form and
    model. IT would have to reposition itself. It can not ignore the other established strong
    leagues who are doing pretty well by themselves.

    The expansion of KHL is a fact but up to now only to former Soviet Satellites. The real KHL
    breakthrough has to be made with a team from a Sweden, Finland, Switzerland or Germany. Then it
    might have a domino effect.

    In the meantime we need a REAL CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.
    German, Finnish club join KHL sooner than later. No swedish
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    I think the problem with khl is that if example 6 swedish teams from elitserien joins the khl who the hell will care about elitserien then. It will be all worthless. But my dream would be if khl created a format so a example swedish team in khl are doing very bad they will be sended back to elitserien and a new team will come up. Thats why a champions league would be so great because there the best teams from all over europe will compete against each other and will not affect the ordinary leagues. So a champions league would be more realistic because of that but still what can we do with the teams in khl to send them to champions league because the best latvian team dinamo riga plays there the belarussian dinamo minsk plays there slovan bratislava plays there donbass donetsk plays there etc. so maybe it would be most fair if the 2 teams from every division not the whole khl will be sended to champions league or maybe (hopefully) a future european trophy. And happy news in Sweden there goes rumors that they will expand the league with teams from like france, italy, great britain and even Poland so THIS is the future ;) Bad english but I hope you could read :P

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    The only problem I see with your suggestion of two teams per KHL division, is that now you might find yourself with 8 Russian teams in a Champions League, and only one or max of two for any other country. If Dinamo Riga, Dynamo Minsk, Donbass or anyone else wants to play Champions League, let them qualify by becoming their country's national champion, by playing in their own championship, just like everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    The only problem I see with your suggestion of two teams per KHL division, is that now you might find yourself with 8 Russian teams in a Champions League, and only one or max of two for any other country. If Dinamo Riga, Dynamo Minsk, Donbass or anyone else wants to play Champions League, let them qualify by becoming their country's national champion, by playing in their own championship, just like everyone else.
    This is not realistic. This makes number of games for such team too huge and schedules overlapping. Also IIHF then should introduce new rule forcing teams like Lev, Slovan, Dinamo Riga etc. to participate in national championship as well.

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    How is it unrealistic? Many other teams who play in out-of-country or international leagues find ways to also participate in their own national championship. Medvescak in Croatia, AV19 in Hungary, Donbass in Ukraine, all either have second rosters for the domestic championship or negotiate with their federation for later participation. And in all cases, each of those teams has the opportunity to become their country's national champion. They're not just given then title because they play in a stronger league, they still have to earn it.

    If a team like Slovan or Dinamo Riga don't find the Champions League important or interesting enough to want to compete for the privilege of participating, that's their choice. But they shouldn't just be handed that honour without earning it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    If a team like Slovan or Dinamo Riga don't find the Champions League important or interesting enough to want to compete for the privilege of participating, that's their choice. But they shouldn't just be handed that honour without earning it.
    Competely agree. We determine scores on the ice and not on paper. Nobody is doubting that a team like Dinamo Riga wouldn't win a Latvian competition but that honor still has to be found on the ice, not the board room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trim View Post
    Competely agree. We determine scores on the ice and not on paper. Nobody is doubting that a team like Dinamo Riga wouldn't win a Latvian competition but that honor still has to be found on the ice, not the board room.
    Not a chance the LHF would allow for that the happen, these are the same people who make sure Metalurgs wins the LAČ. Dinamo is undisputed Champions of Latvia, Metalurgs are runner-ups and who gives a **** about the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    How is it unrealistic? Many other teams who play in out-of-country or international leagues find ways to also participate in their own national championship. Medvescak in Croatia, AV19 in Hungary, Donbass in Ukraine, all either have second rosters for the domestic championship or negotiate with their federation for later participation. And in all cases, each of those teams has the opportunity to become their country's national champion. They're not just given then title because they play in a stronger league, they still have to earn it.

    If a team like Slovan or Dinamo Riga don't find the Champions League important or interesting enough to want to compete for the privilege of participating, that's their choice. But they shouldn't just be handed that honour without earning it.
    If you mean farm teams or second rosters participating in local championship - then yes - this might be possible. But thein it comes to interesting situation as example in Latvia: Dinamo Riga is participating in KHL, their farm team Liepajas Metalurgs is participating in BOL, second roster of Liepajas Metalurgs or Liepajas Metaurgs 2 is participating in Latvian championship. If Liepajas Metalurgs 2 wins national championship which roster (or team) goes to the Champions league?
    As the socond option it might be possible to arrange some short super knock-out competion where best latvia based teams of LAČ, KHL, BOL, MHL could participate to determinate best Latvian hockey team.

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    The question, JankS, is this: Is Liepajas Metalurgs a separate club with an affiliation agreement with Dinamo Riga, or are they legally part of Dinamo Riga Hockey Club?
    If the former, then Liepajas Metalurgs goes to Champions League.
    If the latter, then LHF would be able to send which team they consider champions, but since all players on all teams would be part of the one club (Dinamo Riga), you could conceivably send the KHL roster to compete.

    The idea is that the nation be represented by the national champion club

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