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    2012 IIHF World Div.IIB Championship - Sofia, Bulgaria; 2nd-8th.Apr

    Belgium
    Bulgaria
    China
    Israel
    Mexico
    South Africa

    Winter Sports Palace, capacity: 4,600


    Tournament fixtures
    DateHome TeamAway TeamTimeVenue
    2/4 Mexico Belgium 12:00 Winter Sports Palace
    2/4 China Israel 15:30Winter Sports Palace
    2/4 South Africa Bulgaria 19:00Winter Sports Palace
    3/4 China Mexico 12:00Winter Sports Palace
    3/4 Israel South Africa 15:30Winter Sports Palace
    3/4 Belgium Bulgaria 19:00 Winter Sports Palace
    5/4 Belgium Israel 12.00Winter Sports Palace
    5/4 China South Africa 15.30Winter Sports Palace
    5/4 Mexico Bulgaria 19.00Winter Sports Palace
    6/4 South Africa Belgium 12.00Winter Sports Palace
    6/4 Israel Mexico 15.30Winter Sports Palace
    6/4 Bulgaria China 19.00Winter Sports Palace
    8/4 Mexico South Africa 12.00Winter Sports Palace
    8/4 Bulgaria Israel 15.30Winter Sports Palace
    8/4 Belgium China 19.00Winter Sports Palace

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    1)Belgium 2)China 3)Mexico 4)RSA 5)-6) Israel Bulgaria

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    My prediction:
    1-Belgium
    2-China
    3-Israel
    4-Bulgaria
    5-Mexico
    6-South Africa
    That being said, the group seems pretty wide open. Most of these predicted positions can be easily interchanged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom93 View Post
    My prediction:
    1-Belgium
    2-China
    3-Israel
    4-Bulgaria
    5-Mexico
    6-South Africa
    That being said, the group seems pretty wide open. Most of these predicted positions can be easily interchanged.
    Tom93 I know new roster- Israel in 4th would be a miracle

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    I take it that very few of the top guys (Eizenman, Spivak, Erlich, Sherbatov, etc.) are going to make it to the tournament then?
    If that's the case, then Israel may be in a bit of trouble then. Perhaps I'll be able to make a better prediction once the rosters are made public.

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    I'm going to wait to see the rosters before making a prediction because the final rankings could see any one of four teams win (depending on the rosters they ice). South Africa is pretty much a lock to relegate, and Mexico could IMO finish anywhere 3rd to 5th.
    Belgium is the only sure bet for a medal IMO.
    Bulgaria has won silver medals in the old division system, but have also finished a mere 3 goals away from relegation, so it's really a coin-toss whether they medal or not, and they could definitely promote on a good year.
    China has been in almost steady decline in recent years, all the way to a 5th place finish, so while promotion is possible, a 5th place finish here is not out of the question either.
    Israel lacks depth, so if they have some of their top talent available to them they are in the promotion discussion. On a bad day (and depending on how many top players might be missing), they are doubtful to relegate but 5th is quite possible as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    Tom93 I know new roster- Israel in 4th would be a miracle
    Can you share the roster? Who's in and who's out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    Not yet
    ok, I understand

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    Any idea if there will be somewhere to watch online?

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    Entry List Rosters posted on the tournament page on iihf.com

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    I know that the entry lists aren't binding, but Josh Reinecke is on the South African list. It's been a while since he's been on the national team, hasn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom93 View Post
    I know that the entry lists aren't binding, but Josh Reinecke is on the South African list. It's been a while since he's been on the national team, hasn't it?
    Yeah, 2007 in Dundalk, Ireland was the last time.

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    I remember speaking with the Reinecke brothers in Dundalk (in fact, I arrived on the same connecting flight from London as they did). Gareth (the elder of the three brothers) mentioned that the '07 tournament with his two brothers would be his last for South Africa. The other two boys gave me the impression that it would also be their last tournament suiting up for the RSA national team, so this is a pleasant surprise to see Josh on the roster. He was a very effective player in 2007, though DivIIB will be a big step up from the competition he faced that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    I remember speaking with the Reinecke brothers in Dundalk (in fact, I arrived on the same connecting flight from London as they did). Gareth (the elder of the three brothers) mentioned that the '07 tournament with his two brothers would be his last for South Africa. The other two boys gave me the impression that it would also be their last tournament suiting up for the RSA national team
    Did they mention any reason for it, financial, disagreements, or otherwise?
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    Probably part financial, part time commitments. It's a long way, they were all students at the time and had to actually get personal sponsors to help cover their costs of going to the tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    Probably part financial, part time commitments. It's a long way, they were all students at the time and had to actually get personal sponsors to help cover their costs of going to the tournament.
    Almost like us ...:))

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    Well here's hoping

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neugs View Post
    Sherbatov is gonna either be late or not come (his Drakkar are going to lose quickly, but still the series has not started yet).
    Sherbatov no longer plays Major Junior, he signed with Neuilly/Marne in Ligue Magnus and their season was over at the start of the month so he is good to go.

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    I know I made a mistake lol thats why I edited my post

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    I'm just interested to see how my friend on the Washington Junior Nationals fares against older competition. I'm going to be rooting for him to do well, as we actually played high school together; it's nice to see somebody you know on the international level!
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    Which player would that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Which player would that be?
    Iskrenov from Bulgaria

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    For those who are interested.

    South Africa played two warm up game in Romania against the Steaua Rangers before going to Bulgaria.

    The first game South Africa seem to have a rocky start and lost 8-0.

    The second game they also lost but ending with a score 7-6 which in my honest opinion I think great step up from the first game they had, think it is also a great confidence booster going into the tournament tomorrow.

    Well lets see what happens.


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    Here we have 2 teams Belgium and China who compete for 1st place, maybe Bulgaria and Israel can do some demage to others, and relagation is saved for Mexico and South Africa. It will be interesting to follow Bulgaria with 4 dual players, in the same time they are home team.

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    Who are the four dual nats playing for Bulgaria, and what leagues do they play in?

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    Israel had two exhibition games to get ready (thanks to our very own IHF'er RexKramer), defeating Vienna University Totonka (AUT) 8-5, and losing a tight, hard fought game to Czech third tier club Breclav by a 7-5 score.

    Like the South Africans, the Israelis will come to Sofia riding a wave of confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Who are the four dual nats playing for Bulgaria, and what leagues do they play in?
    One of them would have to be Alexei Yotov, easily their best player. But he's also played for Bulgaria for many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Who are the four dual nats playing for Bulgaria, and what leagues do they play in?
    Bulgarian roster is here
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    Belgium Belgium final roster

    Goalkeepers
    Bjorn Steijlen (IHC Leuven)
    Kevin van Looveren (HYC Herentals)

    Defenders
    Niki de Herdt (Ange IK)
    Jens Engelen (HYC Herentals)
    Lorenzo Maas (EHC Krefeld Niederrhein)
    Jordan Paulus (IHC Leuven)
    Nils Vroemans (HYC Herentals)

    Forwards
    Timo Dewin (HYC Herentals)
    Don Geerts (White Caps Turnhout)
    Bryan Kolodziejczyk (Lindsay Muskies)
    Dries Leirs (HYC Herentals)
    Vincent Morgan (HYC Herentals)
    Mitch Morgan (HYC Herentals)
    Jan Raekelboom (IHC Leuven)
    Olivier Roland (IHC Leuven)
    Dennis Swinnen (Krefelder EV)
    Dean Thurura (IHC Leuven)
    Ben Torremans (HYC Herentals)
    Kristof van Looy (Phantoms Deurne)
    Ben Vercammen (HYC Herentals)
    Joep Vercammen (HYC Herentals)

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    Bulgaria Bulgaria final roster

    Goalkeepers
    Teodor Asenov (CSKA Sofia)
    Konstantin Mihaylov (Slavia Sofia)

    Defenders
    Cvetan Cvetanov (Slavia Sofia)
    Martin Giurov (Slavia Sofia)
    Stanislav Kanchev (Slavia Sofia)
    Roman Morgunov (Slavia Sofia)
    Kristian Radovanov (Slavia Sofia)
    Bogdan Stefanov (Slavia Sofia)
    Vasiliy Vasilev (Dynamo Sofia)
    Alexei Yotov (Vityaz Chekhov-2)

    Forwards
    Rosen Asenov (Slavia Sofia)
    Atanas Atanasov (Slavia Sofia)
    Martin Boyadjiev (Slavia Sofia)
    Krasimir Chapkanov (Slavia Sofia)
    Petar Hadzhitonev (Slavia Sofia)
    Rosen Hristov (Slavia Sofia)
    Georgi Iskrenov (Washington Jr. Nationals)
    Martin Milanov (Dynamo Sofia)
    Georgi Mladenov (Slavia Sofia)
    Stanislav Muhachev (Slavia Sofia)
    Martin Nikolov (HC Benatky)
    Yavor Slavchev (Slavia Sofia)

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    China China final roster

    Goalkeepers
    Zhiwei Liu (China Dragon)
    Ming Xie (Qiqihar)

    Defenders
    Zhengyu Dong (China Dragon)
    Tengyi Fu (China Dragon)
    Tian Ge (China Dragon)
    Tianyu Hu (China Dragon)
    Jian Li (China Dragon)
    Longtan Liu (China Dragon)
    Dahai Wang (China Dragon)
    Mingxi Yang (Qiqihar)

    Forwards
    Jiachang Bao (Harbin)
    Ling Chen (China Dragon)
    Zhipeng Chen (China Dragon)
    Nan Fu (China Dragon)
    Tianyi Guan (Harbin)
    Dachuan Guo (China Dragon)
    Yin He (Harbin)
    Wei Liu (China Dragon)
    Yidong Qu (China Dragon)
    Chongwei Wang (China Dragon)
    Hao Zhang (China Dragon)
    Weiyang Zhang (China Dragon)

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    Israel Israel final roster

    Goalkeepers
    Boris Amromin (Haifa Hawks)

    Defenders
    Nissim Botbol (Bat Yam Icebergs)
    Mikhael Horowitz (MAC Metulla)
    Kai Malachi (HC Metulla)
    Ran Oz (HC Metulla)
    Ron Soreanu (Haifa Hawks)
    Daniel Spivak (RIT Rochester)

    Forwards
    Tal Avneri (Rishon)
    Sergei Frenkel (Bat Yam Icebergs)
    Avishai Geller (Bat Yam Icebergs)
    Evgeni Kniter (MAC Metulla)
    Artem Korotin (Rishon)
    Marek Lebedev (Hertzeliya Ice Time)
    Itzhak Levy (Bat Yam Icebergs)
    Daniel Mazour (Maalot)
    Vlad Nosankov (Bat Yam Icebergs)
    Eliezer Sherbatov (Neuilly/Marne)
    Vitali Shwarzman (Maalot)
    Idan Tribochan (Bat Yam Icebergs)
    Yan Youmashev (Bat Yam Icebergs)

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    Mexico Mexico final roster

    Goalkeepers
    Alfonso de Alba (Aztec Eagle Warriors)
    Andres de la Garma (Zapotec Totems)

    Defenders
    Juan Pablo de Sayve (Zapotec Toetems)
    Alexis Cervantes (Mayan Astronomers)
    Luis David Gonzalez (Teotihuacan Priests)
    Francisco Padilla (Zapotec Totems)
    Alejandro Rosette (Aztec Eagle Warriors)
    Fernando Ugarte (Teotihuacan Priests)

    Forwards
    Brian Arroyo (Puebla Talaveros)
    Ander Barberena (Zapotec Totems)
    Roberto Chabat (Aztec Eagle Warriors)
    Manuel Escandon (Teotihuacan Priests)
    Carlos Gomez (Aztec Eagle Warriors)
    Alexander Gutierrez (Mayan Astronomers)
    Julian Ramirez (Zapotec Totems)

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    South Africa South Africa final roster

    Goalkeepers
    Gary Bock (Johannesburg Wildcats)
    Jack Nebe (Cape Town Storm)

    Defenders
    Nicholas Graf (Johannesburg Vipers)
    Deen Magmoed (Cape Town Penguins)
    Andre Marais (Johannesburg Wildcats)
    Klyde Stevens (Cape Town Penguins)
    David Watson (Johannesburg Scorpions)

    Forwards
    Cameron Birrell (Cardiff Devils)
    Damian Cardoso (Johannesburg Scorpions)
    Luke Carelse (Cape Town Penguins)
    Matthew Cornforth (Finishers)
    Zayn du Plessis (Johannesburg Vipers)
    Marc Giot (Cape Town Penguins)
    Jason Gonsalves (Pretoria Warriors)
    Christopher Jeavons (Pioneers)
    George Lyon (Johannesburg Wildcats)
    Cai Nebe (Cape Town Penguins)
    Joshua Reinecke (Garrys)
    Uthman Samaai (Cape Town Penguins)
    Jack Valadas (Johannesburg Wildcats)
    Russell van Heyningen (Johannesburg Scorpions)

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    Well, based on these rosters, I think Mexico may be headed for Division III. I don't think that they'll be able to beat even South Africa with only thirteen skaters.

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    One keeper for Israel, guess that means Gussin didn't get fit. What about Sorotzky?

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    I have no idea what's going on......Sorotzky played in the preparation/test games, and should be going to Bulgaria.

    I have not heard that he is injured, and I have not heard back from him when I texted him.

    Something is odd.

    If he is not playing for some odd reason, Israel's chances have just worsened considerably......unless Gussin can magically conjure up a fountain of youth.

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    Now I know.

    Nothing like Israeli hockey shooting itself in both feet as usual.

    I am not at liberty to talk about what is going on, but suffice it to say that I am terribly angry and disappointed.

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    Wow. Someone must have screwed up terribly if Sorotzky can't/won't take the hop, skip, and jump required to get from Austria to Bulgaria....

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    Interesting to see those final rosters, as two teams are breaking IIHF regulations that require a minimum of 15 skaters and 2 goalies for World Championship competition... Will be interesting to see if either/both of the two (Israel or Mexico) thus forfeit their games for lack of an appropriate roster, and in which case whether one or both gets automatically relegated.

    Quote Originally Posted by IIHF Statues & Bylaws 2008-2012 with May 2011 Amendments: Section 618, Subsection 4
    The aforementioned Team Registration Form must name a minimum number of 15 players and
    2 goalkeepers per team
    and be submitted at the first Directorate meeting at which time it will
    be considered as provisional. However, this minimum number of players and goalkeepers must
    be present at the championship venue by the time of the players control failing which the team
    will be disqualified
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    If the Team Registration Form controlled at the first Directorate Meeting is not changed or
    corrected by the respective Directorate member two hours before the first game of the
    championship at the latest, it will become final.
    The remaining players up to the allowed maximum of players and goalkeepers must be
    submitted for players control in the same way during the competition, two hours before the
    respective game at the latest.
    If both are allowed to continue with short rosters (which they should not), I see South Africa going down.

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    I am sure Israel will register Gussin.

    Israel had so much confidence going into this tournament off of their test/prep games and their camp in Austria.....so much unity in the locker room.

    All destroyed now, because of one person (NOT Sorotzky........he has no fault at all).

    This one guy took a possible second or third place finish (in my estimation) and has ruined it.

    I am sick to my stomach and boiling angry.

    However, like the good trooper that I am, I will hope that the guys going out there can and will put this behind them and play as hard as they can.

    Here's hoping Amromin finds the competitive fire for international competition that has eluded him since the end of Israel's 2006 Division I sojourn......and stays healthy.

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    According to another thread, Gussin is on his way to Sofia. That would cover Israel. Mexico, on the other hand....it could be interesting to see what the IIHF does.

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    Amronin and Sorotzky split the games in Vienna and both went on to Sofia. If Gussin shall be #1 deciding about the backup based on the games in Vienna is hard for sure. Apparently Perron chose Amronin. PM me Marc if I get it wrongm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom93 View Post
    According to another thread, Gussin is on his way to Sofia. That would cover Israel. Mexico, on the other hand....it could be interesting to see what the IIHF does.
    Perhaps they can solve their problem by registering team officials as players, just to get past the 15 skaters issue.
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    mexico registered today other 5 players

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    1. Belgium
    ..............
    2. China
    3. Bulgaria
    4. Israel
    5. Mexico
    .............
    6. South Africa

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    1/3 Belgium - Mexico 5:0

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    Belgium has Olivier Bouchard-Roland on board!
    He's one of the best players in the North Sea Cup. His stats may not seem impressive, but that's because he's playing with lowly Leuven.
    He played Ligue Magnus before, and studies now at Leuven University.
    Belgium's chances at promotion surely got another boost by this.
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