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    Day 1-Game 1

    Mexico - Belgium 2:9 (0:5, 1:1, 1:3)
    0:1 - 02.56 Vincent Morgan (M.Morgan, de Herdt)
    0:2 - 04.25 Olivier Roland (V.Morgan)
    0:3 - 06.04 Dries Leirs (Geerts, B.Vercammen)
    0:4 - 19.35 Vincent Morgan(2) (M.Morgan, de Herdt)
    0:5 - 19.57 Olivier Roland(2) (V.Morgan, M.Morgan)
    1:5 - 22.38 Julian Ramirez
    1:6 - 26.11 Jens Engelen (Vroemans)
    1:7 - 40.19 Olivier Roland(3) (V.Morgan, de Herdt)
    1:8 - 43.51 Mitch Morgan (Roland)
    2:8 - 47.14 Carlos Gomez (Al.Cervantes, Ad.Cervantes) PP1
    2:9 - 56.24 Olivier Roland(4) (M.Morgan)
    PIM: 1x2 - 5x2 SOG: 30-47 Att: 65
    Goalkeepers: Alfonso de Alba 38/47 - Bjorn Steijlen 28/30
    Ref: Vladimir Proskurov (BLR) Linesmen: David Perduv (SRB), Florian Widmann (AUT)
    MEX: de Alba Alfonso; Ugarte Fernando +C, Rosette Alejandro +A, Gutierrez Alexander, Kelo Cristofer, Chabat Roberto, de la Vega Luis Alberto, Gonzalez Luis David, Ramirez Julian. Arroyo Brian, Gomez Carlos, Colas Miguel, Escandon Manuel, Cervantes Alexis, Cervantes Adrian +A, Barberena Ander, Padilla Francisco, de Sayve Juan Pablo, Samperio Enrique Arturo
    BEL: Steijlen Bjorn; Engelen Jens, de Herdt Niki, Morgan Vincent +C, Morgan Mitch, Roland Olivier, Maas Lorenzo, Paulus Jordan, Kolodziejczyk Bryan +A, Raekelboom Jan +A, van Looy Kristof, Vroemans Nils, Vercammen Ben, Leirs Dries, Torremans Ben, Geerts Don, Vercammen Joep, Dewin Timo, Thurura Dean

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    Good to see Mexico and Israel added the final players, although Belgium was still too big a mouthful for Mexico it seems.
    Sure does look like Olivier Bouchard is a great addition for Belgium at this level.

    I'll post my predictions as well even if it is kinda cheating after one game played :p

    Belgium
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    And Israel scores twice in the first four minutes. This could be a long game for China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom93 View Post
    And Israel scores twice in the first four minutes. This could be a long game for China.
    And we hear, that Israel team is having some problems.....Well China was good couple of years ago, obviously they are still sleeping.

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    Well now they're 3-2 down. Seems like depth is the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IIHF.com
    28:15 4 - 3 SH1 CHN 18. CHEN Ling (10. LIU Longtan)
    27:58 2 min CHN 10. LIU Longtan Hooking
    Interesting that nr 10 is sent off for hooking, but still manages an assist in the short-handed goal that follows...
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    Tide's turned fast in this one...should be an interesting 3rd

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    this is a link to the game. i paid the 1 euro. but i cant get the damn thing to work http://sportmedia.tv/event.php?id=770

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    Don't worry....all you are missing is a game that Israel jumped out to a quick 2-0 lead but ultimately is getting routed due to the fact that their current best goalie was left behind in Austria.

    Sad, because they could possibly have won this game.

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    Looks from the PIM stats like it's gotten pretty chippy

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    59:19 9 - 5 EQ ISR 21. SHERBATOV Eliezer
    59:17 9 - 4 EQ CHN 14. CHEN Zhipeng

    how is possible to score goal in two seconds ? exist some video of last goal ?



    EDIT: ISRAEL SCORED ITS FINAL GOAL AT 59:59.
    Last edited by Marc Brunengraber; 05-04-2012 at 02:56. Reason: Answered question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neronet View Post
    59:19 9 - 5 EQ ISR 21. SHERBATOV Eliezer
    59:17 9 - 4 EQ CHN 14. CHEN Zhipeng

    how is possible to score goal in two seconds ? exist some video of last goal ?
    Win the draw forward, cross the blue line and shoot really quick I guess...this match has some questionable results. Like 'Bennison' pointed out, Liu got on assist on the shorthanded goal that he took, even with the match finalized its still listed like that.

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    Day 1-Game 2

    China - Israel 9:5 (3:2, 2:1, 4:2)
    0:1 - 00.56 Daniel Mazour (Sherbatov)
    0:2 - 03.07 Eliezer Sherbatov (Avneri)
    1:2 - 12.09 Yin He (L.Liu, W.Zhang)
    2:2 - 18.21 Ling Chen (Wang, L.Liu) PP2
    3:2 - 19.38 Yidong Qu (W.Zhang)
    3:3 - 26.13 Eliezer Sherbatov(2) (Frenkel)
    4:3 - 28.15 Ling Chen(2) (L.Liu) SH1
    5:3 - 30.14 Chongwei Wang (Chen, Fu)
    6:3 - 40.08 Chongwei Wang(2) (Chen)
    7:3 - 49.10 Weiyang Zhang (Hu)
    7:4 - 51.10 Eliezer Sherbatov(3) SH1
    8:4 - 59.02 Dachuan Guo (Li, H.Zhang) PP1
    9:4 - 59.17 Zhipeng Chen (W.Liu)
    9:5 - 59.19 Eliezer Sherbatov(4)
    PIM: 8x2 - 7x2 SOG: 46-21 Att: 152
    Goalkeepers: Ming Xie 13/16 (Zhiwei Liu 3/5) - Boris Amromin 29/36 (Jevgeni Gusin 8/10)
    Ref: Alexei Roshchyn (ESP) Linesmen: Mikulash Furnadziev (BUL), Rudy Meyer (ESP)
    CHN: Xie Ming (10.29 Liu Zhiwei); Hu Tianyu, Wang Dahai, Zhang Weiyang +C, Qu Yidong, He Yin, Fu Tengyi, Liu Longtan, Wang Chongwei +A, Fu Nan, Chen Ling, Yang Mingxi, Li Jian, Zhang Hao, Bao Jiachang, Guo Dachuan +A, Ge Tian, Dong Zhengyu, Liu Wei, Chen Zhipeng, Guan Tianyi
    ISR: Amromin Boris (10.50 Gusin Jevgeni); Spivak Daniel +A, Oz Ran, Mazour Daniel, Frenkel Sergei, Sherbatov Eliezer, Soreanu Ron +A, Levy Itzhak, Lebedev Marek, Avneri Tal, Geller Avishai +C, Horowitz Mikhael, Botbol Nissim, Kniter Evgeni, Korotin Artem, Nosankov Vlad, Shwarzman Vitali, Tribochan Idan, Youmashev Yan

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    Day 1-Game 3

    South Africa - Bulgaria 1:4 (0:1, 1:1, 0:2)
    0:1 - 15.57 Georgi Iskrenov (Nikolov, Milanov)
    0:2 - 21.12 Stanislav Muhachev (Yotov, C.Cvetanov)
    1:2 - 27.43 George Lyon (Reinecke)
    1:3 - 49.21 Petar Hadzhitonev
    1:4 - 54.12 Alexei Yotov (Muhachev, Morgunov)
    PIM: 10x2+1x5x20 - 5x2 SOG: 38-31 Att: 1235
    Goalkeepers: Gary Bock 27/31 - Konstantin Mihaylov 37/38
    Ref: Michele Gastaldelli (ITA) Linesmen: Attila Nagy (HUN), Evgeniy Plaksunov (KAZ)
    RSA: Bock Gary; Marais Andre +C, Graf Nicholas, Reinecke Joshua, Cardoso Damian, Cornforth Matthew, Magmoed Deen, Stevens Klyde, Valadas Jack, Jeavons Christopher, Lyon George, Watson David +A, Giot Marc +A, Birrell Cameron, Gonsalves Jason, Samaai Uthaman, Carelse Luke, du Plessis Zayn, Nebe Cai, van Heyningen Russell
    BUL: Mihaylov Konstantin; Vasilev Vasiliy +C, Yotov Alexei, Morgunov Roman, Muchachev Stanislav, Asenov Rosen, Cvetanov Cvetan, Giurov Martin, Atanasov Atanas, Hadzhitonev Petar, Boyadjiev Martin +A, Radovanov Kristian, Milanov Martin +A, Mladenov Georgi, Nikolov Martin, Iskrenov Georgi, Stefanov Bogdan, Kanchev Stanislav, Slavchev Yavor, Chapkanov Krasimir, Hristov Rosen

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    Chinese goalies weren't at the top today

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    According to the IIHF site, Nicholas Graf of South Africa has 27 penalty minutes (2+5+ a game misconduct) after the first game. Anybody able to shed light on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDani View Post
    Chinese goalies weren't at the top today
    Well, by the looks of it, they simply couldn't contain Sherbatov. He might be one of the best, if not the best player of the tournament. (haven't really checked the roster of Belgium or Bulgaria, so I could be way off)

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    Outside Sherbatov, Im interested in seeing Roland, he also put up 4 goals and his season stats over the years are pretty impressive as well. Mitch Morgan really interests me though, 6pts (1+5), season stats look good as well, wish he would try to sign a contract in France to see how well he can do.

    By the way Ro, are the two Morgan players brothers?

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    Indeed Roland's stats look more impressive than Sherbatov's. Have no idea about the strenght of French top tier, but Morgan few years back put up even better numbers than Sherbatov is currently doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHKStarkovs View Post
    By the way Ro, are the two Morgan players brothers?
    Yes, they are. Their dad, Bill Morgan was a Canadian hockey player that came to play in Belgium in the late seventies and never left.
    There's three brothers, actually. For those that have a hard time telling them apart, here's a cheat sheet: they're the goalie, the tall one and the small one.

    Ben Morgan, a.k.a. the goalie, also played three World Championships for Belgium as a goalie in '04, '06 and '07. But he has since retired.

    Vincent Morgan, a.k.a. the tall one, is the middle one. He's HYC Herentals' and Team Belgium's Captain.

    Mitch Morgan, a.k.a. the small one, is the youngest. He was, as far as I know, the first Belgian-trained player to be drafted into the CHL import draft.

    BTW remember all that stuff I wrote about Alex Andjelic in another thread? He also coached these kids when he was working in Herentals.

    PS the Vercammen's are brothers, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz View Post
    Indeed Roland's stats look more impressive than Sherbatov's. Have no idea about the strenght of French top tier, but Morgan few years back put up even better numbers than Sherbatov is currently doing.
    Bear in mind that Bouchard-Roland was on the league's number one team then, and Sherbatov on the league's number last.
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    What the heck is wrong with Israeli hockey? Why are there no more Eizenmans? Where is Daniel Erlich? Why is Birbraer always injured? Where is Sorotzky?

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    May things. Eizenmans gone, Ehrlich might eventually show up, Birbraer had surgery, Sorotzky in Sofia

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    The Eizenmans have had a dispute with the federation dating back to the 2009 World Jewish Cup; our thread on it here at IHF in the Israel section touches upon it. With new federation leadership, the dispute should have ended. Alon is an attorney now, but Oren is a full time pro, whose season in the Asia League (he plays for High 1) is over....he should have answered the call and played for Israel. He is nearly a 2 point per game player in the Asia League, playing against top Japanese and Korean players, and has been a more than point per game guy in the ECHL in the past several years before his move to the AL. He should end his fight with the federation, as there is new leadership, and rejoin the national program.

    I do not know why Erlich is not playing. It is apparent that he will never be playing for Canada over NHL guys, so he too should be in Sofia with the team, and should play when asked in the future. Will he? I don't know.

    Max Birbraer is always willing to play for the team, but he has been injury plagued over the years, due to playing a rough, physical style game as a power forward, as well as by plain old bad luck. Hopefully he gets healthy and can resume his career. He's been a trooper for Israel when healthy, and he is a good man.

    As for Sorotzky, I will let David or Felix Kozak or RexKramer answer that question.

    If Israel had O.Eizenman, Birbraer and Erlich, Sherbatov would not only not be Israel's big gun, he wouldn't even be on the top line. Israel would win the group comfortably with all four of them in the lineup and Sorotzky in goal, even against Belgium.

    As things stand at the moment, I will be thrilled to see a victory against both - or even one of - South Africa and/or Mexico.

    Thank G-d Sherbatov is always willing to play for the team. He is the best player in this tournament and Israel would be lost without him.

    With that said, we need the other guys like Mazour, Frenkel, Geller, Schwarzman, Korotin, Levy and Lebedev to step up on offense.

    It's nice to see that our forum member Tal Avneri had a good game against China.....good stat line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    I do not know why Erlich is not playing. It is apparent that he will never be playing for Canada over NHL guys, so he too should be in Sofia with the team, and should play when asked in the future. Will he? I don't know.
    eliteprospects.com lists Daniel Erlich as having revoked his Israeli citizenship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ro Herregraven View Post
    Yes, they are. Their dad, Bill Morgan was a Canadian hockey player that came to play in Belgium in the late seventies and never left.
    There's three brothers, actually. For those that have a hard time telling them apart, here's a cheat sheet: they're the goalie, the tall one and the small one.

    Ben Morgan, a.k.a. the goalie, also played three World Championships for Belgium as a goalie in '04, '06 and '07. But he has since retired.

    Vincent Morgan, a.k.a. the tall one, is the middle one. He's HYC Herentals' and Team Belgium's Captain.

    Mitch Morgan, a.k.a. the small one, is the youngest. He was, as far as I know, the first Belgian-trained player to be drafted into the CHL import draft.

    BTW remember all that stuff I wrote about Alex Andjelic in another thread? He also coached these kids when he was working in Herentals.

    PS the Vercammen's are brothers, too.
    Cheers Ro and Andjelic is simply an amazing coach, shame the situation he got into in Serbia. I hope to see Mitch, if not both Mitch and Vincent (when he finishes University), go over to France to try their hand. Surely both of them with the kinds of numbers they put up could get a job on either a middle/lower tier Ligue Magnus club or a high ranking Division 1 squad and make a solid 1st/2nd line.

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    Day 2-Game 4

    China - Mexico 5:1 (3:0, 1:1, 1:0)
    1:0 - 04.31 Yin He (Qu)
    2:0 - 10.26 Weiyang Zhang (H.Zhang) SH1
    3:0 - 17.34 Weiyang Zhang(2) (Wang)
    4:0 - 27.46 Yin He(2) (Wang)
    4:1 - 33.27 Alexis Cervantes (Chabat, Ad.Cervantes) PP1
    5:1 - 40.14 Yidong Qu (W.Zhang) SH1
    PIM: 11x2+1x10 - 5x2 SOG: 47-22 Att: 35
    Goalkeepers: Ming Xie 21/22 - Andres de la Garma 42/47
    Ref: Jean Paul De Brabander (NED) Linesmen: Mikulash Furnadziev (BUL), Todor Krastev (BUL)
    CHN: Xie Ming; Hu Tianyu, Wang Dahai, Zhang Weiyang +C, Qu Yidong, He Yin, Fu Tengyi, Liu Longtan, Wang Chongwei +A, Fu Nan, Chen Ling, Yang Mingxi, Li Jian, Zhang Hao, Bao Jiachang, Guo Dachuan +A, Ge Tian, Dong Zhengyu, Liu Wei, Chen Zhipeng, Guan Tianyi
    MEX: de la Garma Andres; Ugarte Fernando +C, Rosette Alejandro +A, Cervantes Alexis, Cervantes Adrian +A, Barberna Ander, de la Vega Luis Alberto, Gonzalez Luis David, Ramirez Julian, Arroyo Brian, Gomez Carlos, Colos Miguel, Escandon Manuel, Gutierrez Alexander, Kelo Cristofer, Chabat Roberto, Padilla Francisco, de Savyve Juan Pablo, Samperio Enrique Arturo

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    Day 2-Game 5

    Israel - South Africa 6:2 (3:0, 2:0, 1:2)
    1:0 - 09.17 Eliezer Sherbatov PP1
    2:0 - 10.00 Avishai Geller (Soreanu)
    3:0 - 13.31 Artem Korotin PP1
    4:0 - 21.03 Daniel Mazour (Frenkel, Sherbatov) PP1
    5:0 - 30.50 Eliezer Sherbatov(2) (Mazour, Spivak)
    5:1 - 42.50 Joshua Reinecke (Magmoed) PP1
    5:2 - 50.58 Andre Marais (Reinecke, Cornforth)
    6:2 - 54.05 Eliezer Sherbatov(3) (Frenkel, Mazour)
    PIM: 9x2 - 5x2 SOG: 47-11 Att: 47
    Goalkeepers: Jevgeni Gusin 9/11 - Gary Bock 28/33 (Jack Nebe 13/14)
    Ref: Alexei Roshchyn (ESP) Linesmen: Attila Nagy (HUN), Evgeniy Plaksunov (KAZ)
    ISR: Gusin Jevgeni; Spivak Daniel +A, Oz Ran, Mazour Daniel, Frenkel Sergei, Sherbatov Eliezer, Soreanu Ron +A, Levy Itzhak, Lebedev Marek, Avneri Tal, Geller Avishai +C, Horowitz Mikhael, Levy Shlomo, Botbol Nissim, Kniter Evgeni, Korotin Artem, Malachi Kai, Tribochan Idan, Nosankov Vlad
    RSA: Bock Gary (20.00 Nebe Jack); Marais Andre +C, Graf Nicholas, Reinecke Joshua, Cardoso Damian, Cornforth Matthew, Magmoed Deen, Stevens Klyde, Valadas Jack, Jeavons Christopher, Lyon George, Watson David +A, Carelse Luke +A, du Plessis Zayn, Nebe Cai, Gonsalves Jason, Giot Marc +A, Birrell Cameron, van Heyningen Russell, Samaai Uthman

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    Is anyone else watching these games online via http://www.sportmedia.tv ?
    I just watched the latter half of the first period of Belgium-Bulgaria and it works like a charm.
    Belgium are superior to the Bulgarians, and are leading 2-0 after twenty minutes.
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    Holy c... - Sherbatov is insane.

    He has scored 7 out of 11 Israeli goals, and has been involved in 9 out of 11 of them

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    Probably this game will be with more than 100 shots on Bulgarian net.
    Maybe this is the game with the most shots on the goal ever. If anybody have some informations from history is this is the biggest number of shots on one goal? Especially in the teams from the same divisions, but this is probably the highest number ever in all competitions.


    edit: 95 shots( mama mia)

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    Do you want to include all levels? Last year Poland womens team outshot Ireland 133-6 which was their highest for the tournament. In Olympic qualifying, Slovakia shot 139 times against Bulgaria in their huge win..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHKStarkovs View Post
    Do you want to include all levels? Last year Poland womens team outshot Ireland 133-6 which was their highest for the tournament. In Olympic qualifying, Slovakia shot 139 times against Bulgaria in their huge win..
    Just mens competitions.
    What year was the game Slovakia-Bulgaria(womens or mens)?
    I dont care about womens hockey.

    So this is just the most shots on one goal in same level in mens history. Very nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by BALBOA View Post
    Just mens competitions. What year was the game Slovakia-Bulgaria(womens or mens)?

    So this is just the most shots in same level in mens history. Very nice
    Slovakia v. Bulgaria was 2008 for Womens Qualifier which Slovakia won 82:0. I bet somebody got more then 95 sometime in mens level, maybe promoting favourites against new comers or something, I will try to look around for mens side.

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    I found..

    Last year Croatia - Bulgaria 17-2 SOG( 103-14)

    So, the mistery is solved

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    95 shot on goal-sometimes Bulgaria semms like a DIVIII. team. It's 2x more than on Belgium-Mexico was, and at their game against South Africa, was SoG nearly equall. (I think that game was won mostly because of their goalie, Mihaylov)

    Sherbatov is much more skilled as the 90% of the players of this tournament. I think Israel will avoid relegation after this winn, and its mainly his job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BALBOA View Post

    But maybe this game is the with the most goals. I hope
    Bulgarian Men's Nat. Team has two extremely huge loose, at 1994, at Group C They were beaten by Kazakhstan
    and Ukraine with 31:0

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDani View Post
    Bulgarian Men's Nat. Team has two extremely huge loose, at 1994, at Group C They were beaten by Kazakhstan
    and Ukraine with 31:0
    My mistake, not goals, but shots...but in these games, there were probably more than 100 shots on the Bulgarian net

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    Day 2-Game 6

    Belgium - Bulgaria 14:3 (2:0, 6:0, 6:3)
    1:0 - 09.15 Vincent Morgan (M.Morgan, Roland) PP1
    2:0 - 10.35 Mitch Morgan
    3:0 - 23.03 Vincent Morgan(2) (Roland, M.Morgan)
    4:0 - 23.45 Lorenzo Maas (Kolodziejczyk, van Looy)
    5:0 - 25.50 Kristof van Looy (Raekelboom)
    6:0 - 26.56 Olivier Roland (V.Morgan) PP1
    7:0 - 34.52 Mitch Morgan(2) (V.Morgan, Roland)
    8:0 - 36.58 Dean Thurura (Raekelboom, Paulus)
    8:1 - 40.39 Cvetan Cvetanov (Boyadjiev) PP1
    9:1 - 41.45 Mitch Morgan(3) (Leirs, Roland)
    9:2 - 47.17 Yavor Slavchev (Chapkanov)
    10:2 - 48.52 Dean Thurura(2) (Dewin, Leirs)
    11:2 - 49.30 Mitch Morgan(4) (Roland, V.Morgan)
    12:2 - 51.50 Timo Dewin (Kolodziejczyk, Leirs)
    13:2 - 54.49 Jordan Paulus (van Looy, Kolodziejczyk)
    14:2 - 56.29 Ben Vercammen PS
    13:3 - 57.00 Georgi Iskrenov (Boyadjiev, Nikolov)
    PIM: 4x2 - 4x2 SOG: 95-29 Att: 1380
    Goalkeepers: Bjorn Steijlen 14/14 (Kevin van Looveren 12/15) - Konstantin Mihaylov 59/66 (Teodor Asenov 22/29)
    Ref: Vladimir Proskurov (BLR) Linesmen: Rudy Meyer (ESP), David Perduv (SRB)
    BEL: Steijlen Bjorn (20.00 van Looveren Kevin); Engelen Jens, de Herdt Niki, Morgan Vincent +C, Morgan Mitch, Roland Olivier, Maas Lorenzo, Paulus Jordan, Kolodziejczyk Bryan +A, Raekelboom Jan +A, van Looy Kristof, Vroemans Nils, Vercammen Ben, Leirs Dries, Torremans Ben, Geerts Don, Vercommen Joep, Dewin Timo, Thurura Dean
    BUL: Mihaylov Konstantin (25.08 Asenov Teodor); Vasilev Vasiliy +C, Yotov Alexei, Morgunov Roman, Muhachev Stansilav, Asenov Rosen, Cvetanov Cvetan, Stefanov Bogdan, Atanasov Atanas, Hristov Rose, Boyadjiev Martin +A, Radovanov Kristian, Milanov Martin +A, Mladenov Georgi, Nikolov Martin, Iskrenov Georgi, Kanchev Stanislav, Slavchev Yavor, Chapkanov Krasimir

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    Well so much for the evenly matched groups theory, but I think the quality of the individual teams at this tier will just change a lot more from season to season than we will see at the Div. IIA and up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHawks View Post
    Well so much for the evenly matched groups theory, but I think the quality of the individual teams at this tier will just change a lot more from season to season than we will see at the Div. IIA and up.
    I dont agree with this state.

    In this bottom level of ice hockey(IIB and III), there will be always bad opponents, especially in the bottom on this groups.It needs a time for leveled these groups.
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    In my oppinion it takes fewer extraordinary players at this level to make a difference by either not being there or by being there, hence it's more likely to change from year to year just by who is available to them.
    But sure you're right, this is the first year with this new league system, and you are right that teams that "by luck" ended up in the "wrong" group when these new groups were made from the old system might either lose badly this season or win easily. But in the long run teams will settle into the right group for the most part, other than the normal change of level that will always be there. Some nations have more potential to develop than others of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHawks View Post
    But in the long run teams will settle into the right group for the most part, other than the normal change of level that will always be there. Some nations have more potential to develop than others of course.
    Maybe IIHF should of had every division have six instead of five teams in each group? There would be a bit more stability to these groups, as every year there 2 out 5 teams will be new to every group. There might be an odd blowout more, but teams would have more "space" to find it's level (I realize that there would still probably be "yo-yo" teams).

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    There is no better sistem than it is now. Of course, there will be always bad teams in lower divisions, but this is perfect sistem for the future of ice hockey.
    As we see, in U18 and U20, there is almost perfect competitions in every divisions. In few years, it will be even better.



    Thanks IIHF

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    Does anyone know a free place to watch?

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    Bennison-

    I've seen that on eliteprospects, but I cannot find any confirmation of it anywhere.

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    I shudder to think of the Belgium-Israel score tomorrow.

    Gussin has let in 4 of the 21 shots he has faced against China and South Africa, and Belgium has far more accomplished offenseman than either of those two.

    Of course, back in the days when Gussin was young (and amazing), Israel actually had a winning record against Belgium, with a fair number of games played between the two nations.

    Israel could possibly keep it respectable by playing a tight, disciplined trap for the entire game, and relying on the Sherbatov line to counterpunch when possible.

    I just hope they can keep the score under double digits.

    Realistically, Israel can beat Mexico and Bulgaria if they get half decent goaltending from Gussin and/or Amromin.

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    Bulgaria has had a very weak showing this year, defeating a (supposedly) much inferior South African side by a mere 4-1 score and then getting annihilated by Belgium. That being said, Bulgarian goalie Konstantin Mihaylov (who is actually 4 years older than Gusin) has been pure class so far, stopping 96 of 104 shots he's faced in parts of two games (the team has allowed a total of 133 shots total in those games) for a SVS% of 92.31%.
    Gusin by comparison has a SVS% of 80.85% (Amromin is almost equal to him at 80.56%).

    I think it'll be interesting to see the game between those two teams, as you have one hot goalie (though whether he'll have anything left to give by the last day of the tournament is questionable at the rate he's going) with weak defense vs a seemingly better-balanced team with apparently weaker goaltending.
    Now to be fair to Amromin, he allowed 7 goals against a Chinese team that is almost entirely professional, so I think he gets a partial pass on that count.

    In short, on the last day of the tournament, I don't expect Bulgaria's goaltender to have anything left to give, and the rest of that team is showing so weakly this year that I fully expect Israel to walk all over the hosts for a bronze medal finish (though 4th place is just as likely as I expect the ISR-MEX game to be too close to call)

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    Let's talk after the game tonight - MEX - BUL - who will at the 3rd place :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo7 View Post
    Let's talk after the game tonight - MEX - BUL - who will at the 3rd place :)
    I suppose that you watched games on this WC, what is your opinion of the teams?
    Bulgaria has a chance tonight against Mexico?

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