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  • AUT to promote

    45 60.81%
  • GBR to promote

    8 10.81%
  • SLO to promote

    45 60.81%
  • HUN to promote

    18 24.32%
  • UKR to promote

    8 10.81%
  • JPN to promote

    2 2.70%
  • AUT to be relegated

    3 4.05%
  • GBR to be relegated

    23 31.08%
  • SLO to be relegated

    1 1.35%
  • HUN to be relegated

    3 4.05%
  • UKR to be relegated

    16 21.62%
  • JPN to be relegated

    29 39.19%
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Thread: 2012 IIHF World Championships Div I A - Ljubljana, Slovenia

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    Ukraine's potential roster looks bleak, no way they will finish in medals.

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    i only dare to say that AUT will be 1st ,2nd place is totaly opend for any team
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlameThaGame View Post
    i only dare to say that AUT will be 1st ,2nd place is totaly opend for any team
    If last years showing is anything to go by, than I think Slovenia is a better team. But no way can Austria be as abysmal as they were year ago.

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    Looks like they have started to make ice: Live Cam

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    2nd training game vs Poland.

    Hungary - Poland
    4:1 (0:1; 2:1; 2:0)

    12:49 0:1 Poland scores: +1 21 Kapica Damian (10 Zapala Krzysztof, 8 Dronia Pawel)
    31:56 1:1 Hungary scores: EQ 2 Kovács Csaba (18 Sikorcin Ladislav, 28 Bartalis István)
    39:02 2:1 Hungary scores: EQ 2 Kovács Csaba (28 Bartalis István, 18 Sikorcin Ladislav)
    42:20 3:1 Hungary scores: EQ 18 Sikorcin Ladislav (8 Hegyi Ádám)
    56:30 4:1 Hungary scores: EQ 21 Vas János (22 Hári János, 6 Tokaji Viktor)

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    I know it's personal views but putting GB 6th?! Come on! The team is pretty much the only team GB can ice at the minute but with Tony Hand now in charge things might get abit better. He's good at working with nothing and getting some results! I wouldn't think we'd get promotion with Austria and Slovenia in the group but strange things have happened! As long as we don't get embarrassed by mainly Japan! It'll be ok
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    Well, GBR finished ahead of UKR last year so yes, anything can happen.
    AUT and SLO are above others IMHO, but for the places 3-6 anything is possible.
    Even a good performing team can get relegated.
    I love this new DIV I system :)

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    Yesterday AUT beat BLR 4:2 (1:0, 1:0, 2:2) in the second test game between the two teams (first win of Austria against Belarus in 10 years). After the game Manny Viveiros cut 8 players from the squad and announced which players from the EBEL finalists are added. To little surprise the roster is dominated by KAC players (11) while Linz is just represented by 2 as apparently also mainstay defenseman Robert Lukas has declined the invitation (his brother Philipp has retired from the NT after the last IHWC) and other potential (3rd and 4th line) candidates from the EBEL champions (Mairitsch, Grabher-Meyer) were not selected.
    Notables absentees are Thomas Pöck (still without a contract and therefore not willing to play), Oliver Setzinger (banned by the federation), Rafael Rotter (injured), the Lakos brothers (not selected), Bernd Brückler (no idea why) and the two Swedes Michael Raffl and Konstantin Komarek (both injured). Michael Grabner will join the team soon and both Andreas Nödl and Thomas Vanek are still in the mix to appear in Ljubljana. Interesting to see that 20yr old Patrick Obrist (EV Zug/EC Dornbirn) is still on the list. Depending how many of the NHLers come 4-6 forwards have to be cut after the games against Switzerland this week. On a sidenote, this will be the first IHWC tournament without an dual national on the team since probably more than 30 years. Looking at the defense I whish there was a few ;-)

    Goal:
    STARKBAUM Bernhard - EC Rekord Fenster VSV (AUT)
    SWETTE René - EC KAC (AUT)
    WEINHANDL Fabian - Moser Medical Graz 99ers (AUT)

    Defense:
    ALTMANN Mario - EC Rekord Fenster VSV (AUT)
    HEINRICH Dominique - EC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT)
    KIRISITS Johannes - EC KAC (AUT)
    REICHEL Johannes - EC KAC (AUT)
    SCHUMNIG Martin - EC KAC (AUT)
    TRATTNIG Matthia - EC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT)
    ULMER Stefan - HC Lugano (SUI)
    UNTERLUGGAUER Gerhard - EC Rekord Fenster VSV (AUT)

    Forwards:
    BAUMGARTNER Gregor - EHC LIWEST Linz (AUT)
    FISCHER Mario - UPC Vienna Capitals (AUT)
    GEIER Manuel - EC KAC (AUT)
    GEIER Stefan - EC KAC (AUT)
    HARAND Patrick - Moser Medical Graz 99ers (AUT)
    HERBURGER Raphael - EC KAC (AUT)
    HUNDERTPFUND Thomas - EC KAC (AUT)
    KOCH Thomas - EC KAC (AUT)
    LATUSA Manuel - EC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT)
    OBERKOFLER Daniel - EHC LIWEST Linz (AUT)
    OBRIST Patrick - EV Zug (SUI)
    RAFFL Thomas - EC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT)
    SCHIECHL Michael - EC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT)
    ULMER Martin - HC Lausanne (SUI)
    WELSER Daniel - EC Red Bull Salzburg (AUT)

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    I may have missed it, but where's the best beard in hockey? Where's Markus Peintner?
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    Not having Bruckler in goal will hurt Austria a bit.....he's their best keeper ever, in my opinion.

    OK, I'll bite......why is Setzinger banned? He's a very good player and would help the team.

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    He made some public comments that were deemed to be embarrassing to the federation.

    So... from all the KAC names, you'd have to think that they played this year without any imports in their roster. I have a feeling this Austrian management is taking their competition a bit lightly. It's not like past years where you could cruise through the week. Two teams promote instead of one, but here every game will be tough and I find it hard to believe that other EBEL clubs don't have top-quality home players that would help the team more than KAC 4th-liners.

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    @Ro: Peintner still got the beard but he wasn't selected, guess he's a "victim" of the rejuvenation policy and the fact that his season ended without play-offs.

    @Marc: right now Brückler is certainly the best we got, historically I'd still put him below Divis in his prime. But Starkbaum who will be #1 I guess (everything else would be big surprise) had a very good season, I expect him to give the team better goaltending than Penker and Weinhandl did last year.

    Concerning Setzinger, at last year's IHWC he was very explicit about his perception of the federation leadership's job of running the national team...the big bosses didn't like that and suspended him. And yes, we could definitely need him - he's an awsome player (with some painful shortcomings).

    @Steigs: KAC in fact played with the lowest number of imports of all Austrian teams and basically for the 3rd and 4th liners it is a matter of taste who to select and who not. The fact that they come right out of the play-off finals gets the candidates of KAC and Linz an edge over those from Salzburg, Vienna, Villach and Graz. That it is finallyb only 2 from Linz and 11 from KAC is in this magnitude surely a result of Viveiros' KAC affiliation.

    Apart from that both Vanek and Nödl are out recovering from the NHL season.
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    Friendly match yesterday: UKR - JPN 2:3 OT

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    Austria has so many missing cracks this time. Still a very good team at this level of course but no easy games for anybody here.

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    in the meantime ; Ukraine Japan 2: 3
    biggest star from Ukraine Varlamov injured & misses the WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    ..hat it is finallyb only 2 from Linz and 11 from Graz..
    You mean Klagenfurt : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanis View Post
    You mean Klagenfurt : )
    Ooops...edited ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanis View Post
    in the meantime ; Ukraine Japan 2: 3
    biggest star from Ukraine Varlamov injured & misses the WC.
    I believe it's Ukraine's first ever loss against Japan.
    Last edited by Oz; 10-04-2012 at 12:57.

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    Maybe they will have another one in some days..

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    The boards are set, the ice is almost finished. The venue should be ready for first traning in a day or two at the most: Live camera

    Rok Pajič will join the national team, while Mitja Šivic is questionable as the coach doesnt feel the need for another centre (at the moment he remains a backup).

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    speaking of which, Zamo86, any idea if there will be online streams ? (maybe via Balkansport?)

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    I am not sure who will have broadcast rights. I believe RTV Slovenia will broadcast games of Slovenia and they usually have also internet broadcast simultaneously. Šport TV will probably broadcast the majority of other games (+ Slovenia if RTVSLO wont have the rights) and perhaps they will put an online feed of the games (like they have the live cam for couple of days not since they started to transform the arena).

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    It would be very equal tournament probably.
    My guess:
    1. SLO
    2. HUN
    3. AUT
    4. GBR
    5. JPN
    6. UKR

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    My prediction:
    1:Austria
    2:Hungary
    3:Slovenia
    4:Great-Britain
    5:Ukraine
    6:Japan

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    Final roster for Slovenia:

    Goal:
    Robert Kristan ( Medveščak Zagreb - EBEL )
    Andrej Hočevar ( Angers - France )
    Gašper Krošelj ( Aalborg - Denmark )

    Defence:
    Aleš Kranjc ( HC Ceske Budejovice : Czech Extraliga )
    Damjan Dervarič ( Olimpija Ljubljana : EBEL )
    Žiga Pavlin ( Troja-Ljungby : Allsvenskan )
    Mitja Robar ( Krefeld Pinguine : DEL )
    Blaž Gregorc ( Södertälje : Allsvenskan )
    Andrej Tavželj ( HK SKP Poprad : Slovak extraliga )
    Sabahudin Kovačevič ( HK SKP Poprad : Slovak extraliga )

    Forwards:
    Tomaž Razingar ( VSV : EBEL )
    Marcel Rodman ( Vienna Capitlas : EBEL )
    David Rodman ( Oskarshamn : Allsvenskan )
    Andrej Hebar ( Troja-Ljungby : Allsvenskan )
    Žiga Jeglič ( Södertälje : Allsvenskan )
    Rok Tičar ( Krefeld Pinguine : DEL )
    Robert Sabolič ( Södertälje : Allsvenskan )
    Eric Pance ( Olimpija Ljubljana : EBEL )
    Žiga Pance ( Olimpija Ljubljana : EBEL )
    Aleš Mušič ( Olimpija Ljubljana : EBEL )
    Boštjan Goličič (Olimpija Ljubljana : EBEL )
    Matej Hočevar ( Olimpija Ljubljana : EBEL )
    Rok Pajič ( HC Slovan Ustecti Lvi : Czech2 )
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    First time in history of the national team there isnt a single member of Jesenice that is representing Slovenia. Also, the first game between Slovenia and Great Britain is almost sold out and couple of days before the tournament Slovenia has all of their games either sold out or very close to that.

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    i would like to think that GB would be able to promote to the top divison but i think its going to be just to much for the lads tho i do wish them the best in the tournament

    my prediction

    1. Hungary
    2. Austria
    3. GB
    4. Slovenia
    5. Japan
    6. Ukraine
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    My ratings:

    1 Austria
    2 Slovenia
    3 Hungary
    4 Ukraine (Have potencial to win the tournament, but as usual they dont take things too serious I believe)
    5 Japan
    6 GBR

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    Rematch: UKR - JPN 3:1

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    Austria beats Switzerland tonight in Feldkirch with 3:1 (2:1, 0:0, 1:0). The Swiss dominate more or less the whole game (esp the last period) but fail to score, Austrians defend quite well and use their chances well. Goals by Baumgartner, Geier, Kirisits for AUT and Brunner for SUI. Rematch tomorrow, live stream on laola1.tv

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    Final Hungarian Roster

    Goaltenders:
    Bálizs Bence (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Budai Krisztián (Miskolci JJSE)

    Defensemen
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    Horváth András (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Tokaji Viktor (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Láda Balázs (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Sille Tamás (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Hetényi Péter (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Hegyi Ádám (Dab.Docler)
    Pozsgai Tamás (Dab.Docler)
    Szélig Viktor (Briancon)

    Forwards:
    Ladányi Balázs (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Sofron István (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Vas Márton (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Kovács Csaba (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Sikorcin Ladislav (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Mihály Árpád (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Benk András (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Magosi Bálint (Sapa Fehérvár AV19)
    Galanisz Nikandrosz (Dab.Docler)
    Bartalis István (Troja-Ljungby)
    Vas János (Troja-Ljungby)
    Hári János (MoDo)

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    No Szuper, no Hetenyi, no promotion.

    Predicted Finish:

    Austria
    Slovenia
    Hungary
    Great Britain
    Ukraine
    Japan

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    Ouch whats the reason for those two keepers missing out?

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    Hetenyi due to illness and Szuper is still playing in Kazakhstan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiraly View Post
    Hetenyi due to illness and Szuper is still playing in Kazakhstan.
    Weird that Arystan didn't release Szuper, when they released Yemelyanenko who will play for Ukraine against Hungary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiraly View Post
    No Szuper, no Hetenyi, no promotion.

    Predicted Finish:

    Austria
    Slovenia
    Hungary
    Great Britain
    Ukraine
    Japan
    Bálizs (had some EBEL experience) and Budai are good keepers also. If we don't get promoted it will not be due to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oz View Post
    Weird that Arystan didn't release Szuper, when they released Yemelyanenko who will play for Ukraine against Hungary.
    Its more of a choice from Szuper. He talked about club loyalty and his daughter (born couple of days ago) who he has not seen yet. I am more disappointed about Hetenyi. His trainer in Jokerit claimed that Hetenyi -when asked- did not tell him that he wants to join the Hungarian squad (illness comes and goes)

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    talking about goalies, i am also surprised slovenia choose´d Krošelj in favor of Pintarič
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    I agree with Kiraly's predicted order of finish:

    Austria
    Slovenia
    Hungary
    Great Britain
    Ukraine
    Japan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dompa View Post
    talking about goalies, i am also surprised slovenia choose´d Krošelj in favor of Pintarič
    1st pintarič played almost no games this season... 2nd Krošelj is atm way better, he had realy good season this year! he finaly got the opportunity to prove that he is good enough to be even a 1st on goal, but he's a bit unlucky that there are Kristan and Hočevar! but even without them i would fully trust him as 1st on goal ( ofc i do trust a bit more to Kristan and Hocevar )! it's nice to see that we have 3 good goalies
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    If Budai will play as he played against HSC Csikszereda at MOL-league semi-final, Hungary has chance for promotion.

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    Slovenia lines as they were on traning and with which they should play at least in the first game.

    Forwards:
    Jeglič - Tičar - Sabolič
    D. Rodman - Mušič - M. Rodman
    Razingar - Pajić - Hebar
    Ž. Pance - Goličič - M. Hočevar or E. Pance

    Defenders:
    Robar - Gregorc
    Kranjc - Pavlin
    Tavželj - Kovačević
    Dervarič

    GK:
    Kristan probably.

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    In the last preparation game Switzerland downs Austria 4:0. The Swiss were above the Austrians in every aspect of the game, faster, stronger, better coordinated and in the 2nd period it was a matter of good luck resp. sloppyness in the Swiss' finishing their chances that it didn't get really ugly. An obvious problem of team AUT against such an opponent is the lack of size of too many players, hardly any chance to win the battles along the boards or muscle past a checker for guys like Oberkofler, Harand, Geier bros, Herburger, Heinrich, Ulmer...

    EDIT: Rookie Patrick Obrist (Zug) and Martin Ulmer (Lausanne) have been cut from the roster after the games against SUI. 25 players including Michael Grabner are still on the list so 3 more (including a goalie) still have to be scratched. Among the goalies I have no idea if Viveiros will take Weinhandl or Swette as back-up (both haven't played a long time, Swette might have the KAC bonus while Weinhandl had more games this season and also has more international experience). From the forwards I'm pretty sure Mario Fischer won't be in the final roster.

    The tournament in Ljubljana will become very tough for Austria, the team needs to exploit the good speed some lines have and Grabner resp. Raffl (the only Austrian standing out so far) need to produce. I see major deficits in face-offs (dismal winning ratio I'd say) and the defense is very shallow, in the PP we have only one really good pointman (Unterluggauer), don't expect AUT to be dangerous with the man advantage. Goaltending should be ok, Starkbaum was doing good against the Swiss (soft first goal on Wednesday however) and I expect him to get the 3 big games (SLO, HUN, UKR) with either swette or Weinhandl playing against JPN and GB.
    That said I see Slovenia as the tournament favourites, AUT will struggle a lot with Hungary and Ukraine and honestly I can't say we're above those two, these games look too close to call. With one more NHLer, Setzinger, Rotter, M. Raffl, Pöck and some more experience in the D-corps (Lukas, Andre Lakos) I'd be much more comfortable that ending up 1st or 2nd can be expected but like now it's going to be a thriller.
    Last edited by RexKramer; 13-04-2012 at 11:20.

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    Great Britain Final gbr roster

    Netminders

    Stephen Murphy (Belfast Giants)
    Geoff Woolhouse (Sheffield Steelers)
    Ben Bowns (Sheffield Steeldogs) – emergency netminder

    Defence

    Stephen Lee (Nottingham Panthers)
    Danny Meyers (Nottingham Panthers)
    Corey Neilson (Nottingham Panthers)
    David Phillips (SřnderjyskE)
    Mark Richardson (Cardiff Devils)
    Mark Thomas (Sheffield Steelers)

    Forwards

    David Clarke (Nottingham Panthers)
    Robert Dowd (Belfast Giants)
    Robert Farmer (Coventry Blaze)
    Owen Fussey (Coventry Blaze)
    Mark Garside (Belfast Giants)
    Jason Hewitt (Sheffield Steelers)
    Phil Hill (Cardiff Devils)
    Jeff Hutchins (Dundee Stars)
    Robert Lachowicz (Nottingham Panthers)
    David Longstaff (Guildford Flames)
    Matthew Myers (Nottingham Panthers)
    Craig Peacock (Belfast Giants)
    Jonathan Phillips (Sheffield Steelers)
    Colin Shields (Sheffield Steelers)

    The two withdrawals from the squad have been enforced with Russ Cowley (Coventry Blaze) still not fully recovered from concussion, while Jonathan Weaver (Coventry Blaze) has personal commitments, which only began apparent in the last few days.

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    @RexKramer i dont agree with u that Slovenia is favourite on the tournament. i totaly cant say how well they are prepared as a team.. they had poor Preparations, on the other side Austria realy had some quality games before the tournament, and they did realy good! i personaly believe that Austria will take the 1st place and the 2nd will be totaly opend.. this year the tournament is realy even and i think that any team can beat each team! ofc i do hope that Slovenia will be promoted ( i wont be dissapointed even if they fail ) and ofc Austria as i always am a fan of our neighbours! so i wish you a good luck RexKramer, and ofc i do hope we will beat u guys from the other side of the Alps ^^ !!!
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    I believe that the match between Austria and Slovenia in the final round will be only for prestige as both teams will have secured promotion by then.

    Any news on how many tickets were bought by Austrian and Hungarian supporters?

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    The arena is almost ready and the players had their first practice today. When all things are completed the organizers will add five/six rows of seats towards the ice and finish things in time for sunday.

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    TV Listings: The 2012 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship Division I Group A will be broadcast in following countries:

    Austria: ORF, Servus TV, ORF Radio
    Czech Republic: Sport 1
    Germany: Servus TV
    Hungary: Sport 1, Sport Klub, RTL Klub
    Liechtenstein: Servus TV
    Lithuania: TV6
    Luxembourg: Servus TV
    Slovakia: Sport 1
    Slovenia: Sport TV, POP TV, RTV Slovenia, Radio Slovenia
    Switzerland: Servus TV
    Ukraine: Hockey TV, INTER TV, ICTV

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    Quote Originally Posted by zamo86 View Post
    TV Listings: The 2012 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship Division I Group A will be broadcast in following countries:
    As the Netherlands is not one of those countries: no livestreams anywhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ro Herregraven View Post
    As the Netherlands is not one of those countries: no livestreams anywhere?
    Probably laola1.tv has the streams from the games involving Austria. If not, the games are mostly also streamed on the ORF website (AUT public TV which covers the tournament on the channel ORF Sport+) but restricted to AUT IP adresses.

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    If anyone on this boards traveled to Ljubljana for the championship, tmr at 17:00 local time legends of Olimpija and Jesenice will play an exebition game in the arena (no entrance fee).

    RTVSLO will also probably have an online stream (they usually do). Usually this stream is restricted to SLO IP, but sometimes they let people watch it anyway no matter where you are. Slovenian Šport TV will broadcast the whole tournament and they might have a stream also (this is the channel that had a LiveCam in the arena during the last week).

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