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    Quote Originally Posted by woppa View Post
    Jagr - Kladno
    Plekanec - Kladno
    Pavelec - Trinec
    According to the latest piece of info, there's far more than just these three. The Czech Extra league seems to be gathering nearly every possible Czech NHLer there is. Tlusty, Cervenka, Sobotka, Hemsky, Kubina, Smid, Erat and Klesla are confirmed, handful of others in talks.

    There are differences in the rulings between European leagues concerning how many players they can add and with what kind of contracts. Swedish Elitserien for example has a rule in place that forbids the clubs from making contracts that don't last 'til the end of season. Finland has no such ruling in place, but thus far only one we've seen cross over is Jussi Jokinen. The clubs are saying they'd be willing to make room for more arrivals, but they seem to shun the high insurance costs.

    So I wonder what makes the Czech league so ready to receive 'em all. It's hard to imagine them to be so much better off financially than, say, SM-liiga clubs. Maybe the players are paying their own costs, as long as they get to play?
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    Here's a quote from a pretty cool article...
    Malamud does not think KHL teams will be nearly as aggressive this time around.

    “Ak Bars especially became a cautionary tale against loading up with the big names, because they lost in the first round,”
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...39/?cmpid=rss1



    Quote Originally Posted by Laho View Post
    According to the latest piece of info, there's far more than just these three. The Czech Extra league seems to be gathering nearly every possible Czech NHLer there is. Tlusty, Cervenka, Sobotka, Hemsky, Kubina, Smid, Erat and Klesla are confirmed, handful of others in talks.

    There are differences in the rulings between European leagues concerning how many players they can add and with what kind of contracts. Swedish Elitserien for example has a rule in place that forbids the clubs from making contracts that don't last 'til the end of season. Finland has no such ruling in place, but thus far only one we've seen cross over is Jussi Jokinen. The clubs are saying they'd be willing to make room for more arrivals, but they seem to shun the high insurance costs.

    So I wonder what makes the Czech league so ready to receive 'em all. It's hard to imagine them to be so much better off financially than, say, SM-liiga clubs. Maybe the players are paying their own costs, as long as they get to play?
    Hm, well, in the last lockout most czech players went to the czech league, if I'm not mistaken.
    Why so many this time around... I don't know. However, I imagine that it's because they have small town there ya know. So, there is more of a personal connection, especially when some of these players come from these small towns. It's like coming back home to your family ya know, perhaps even money might not be important, who knows... I imagine that they have some connection and hence like to be there.

    But, this article contradicts what you say about some players. The KHL is taking up many of those that you mentioned.
    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...h-team-in-khl/

    To Lev...
    -Jakub Voracek
    -Jiri Hudler
    -Roman Cervenka
    -Vladimir Sobotka

    Heh, Lev's loaded.


    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...jci-to-follow/
    Hemsky... to Pardubice

    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...s-to-slovakia/
    Lubomir Visnovsky ... to Bratislava


    Could someone translate some stuff from slovak/czech to english here, if there is some good info? http://hokej.pravda.sk/krajci-rokuje...28_sk-hkhl_p28

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    Roman Cervenka
    Not to LEV but Slavia Praha. Omsk has his rights in KHL, LEV is not interested in trade
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    Quote Originally Posted by woppa View Post
    Hm, well, in the last lockout most czech players went to the czech league, if I'm not mistaken.
    Why so many this time around... I don't know. However, I imagine that it's because they have small town there ya know. So, there is more of a personal connection, especially when some of these players come from these small towns. It's like coming back home to your family ya know, perhaps even money might not be important, who knows... I imagine that they have some connection and hence like to be there.
    Yeah, I can kinda guess all this. What I'm really interested in though, is the financial angle. The Finnish clubs are stating how they'd be very interested in accommodating as many players as they can, but within the same breath are complaining about the costs said accommodation brings. The Czech teams don't seem to be hampered by that. Maybe we Finns are just that much more stingy or something...

    Quote Originally Posted by woppa View Post
    But, this article contradicts what you say about some players. The KHL is taking up many of those that you mentioned.
    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...h-team-in-khl/
    Doesn't exactly contradict, but subverts. Said team still operates in the Czech Republic. Though with them, I can sort of understand why money isn't a problem.
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    My guess is that the Czech guys going home to play are paying for their own insurance as a favor for their hometown teams, and likewise are playing for very little money, again as a favor. A lot of them want to give back to the clubs/towns that gave them their starts. And of course they get to stay in game shape by playing and practicing with these clubs.

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    Islanders captain Mark Streit has signed to play with Bern of the Swiss NLA.

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    Yannick Weber confirmed with Geneve-Servette and strong rumors for Logan Couture too !!!! Wait and see...
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    Ovechkin to Dynamo Moscow
    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-l...#39;s%20Dynamo


    Yakupov to Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk
    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...uring-lockout/


    Thornton & Nash to HC Davos
    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-l...o%20HC%20Davos


    Kopitar to Mora IK (swedish second division)
    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nhl/s...sweden-mora-ik

    Why the hell did Kopitar not go the KHL or Ebel instead? :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by woppa View Post
    Why the hell did Kopitar not go the KHL or Ebel instead? :/
    Dosnt want to, would rather return to Sweden and play with his brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P&H View Post
    Yannick Weber confirmed with Geneve-Servette and strong rumors for Logan Couture too !!!! Wait and see...
    Couture was confirmed today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    My guess is that the Czech guys going home to play are paying for their own insurance as a favor for their hometown teams, and likewise are playing for very little money, again as a favor. A lot of them want to give back to the clubs/towns that gave them their starts. And of course they get to stay in game shape by playing and practicing with these clubs.
    Based on this: http://hokej.idnes.cz/kladno-posili-...2729_hokej_lge they don't.

    Jagr, Plekanec, Tlusty and Zidlicky will play for Kladno. They were interrested in Kaberle, but they don't have enough money to pay for his insurance. They mentioned the money they have to pay for Plekanec, Tlusty and Zidlicky somewhere (Jagr will play without insurance), but can't find it right now.

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    Dustin Brown has offer from Suiss and KHL
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    NHLers in KHL tracker, will summarize all confirmed transfers
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    Spezza to Rapperswil-Jona (Switzerland)
    http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...L-lockout.html


    Filppula to Jokerit (Finland)
    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...ns-in-finland/


    Anton Khudobin to Atlant Moscow
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/anton-k...0116--nhl.html


    Bryzgalov to CSKA
    Datsyuk to CSKA ? contradicting the report that he went to AK Bars?
    Gabrovsky a maybe for them too...
    http://www.mcall.com/sports/hockey/f...,3838892.story


    Semyon Varlamov to Lokomotiv
    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/o...152636770.html


    And Semin to Lokomotiv
    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...uring-lockout/


    Antropov to Barys
    http://en.rian.ru/sports/20120919/176060149.html


    Tasarenko to SKA
    http://en.rian.ru/sports/20120919/176069937.html


    Jakub Kindl to Pardubice
    http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index....yuk_joins.html


    Christian Ehrhoff to Krefeld Penguins (Germany)
    http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/b...germany-091812


    Big interest (about 30 players) to Geramny... http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...ed-out-nhlers/
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    Bryzgalov and Datsyuk to CSKA. Pavel signed contract, Ilya will do it after coming to Moscow (this week IMO). Both confirmed by CSKA website

    There is tracker for KHL , bold is confirmed by KHL or club.
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    I guarantee Jagr is paying for his own insurance.....he wouldn't risk his career, and his chance at one last big payday, by playing without it.

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    Here's another article for your reading pleasure.....this one is not as detailed as the other one I linked to, but this one does break down the issues of the lockout in simple terms for those who don't want the intricate details behind what caused and continues to drive the lockout:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=405623

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    Yakupov to Neftekhimik


    Anisimov to Lokomotiv
    http://en.rian.ru/sports/20120920/176087786.html

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    In the end Kaberle will play in Kladno.
    Havlat wanted to play in Brno, but no chance he'll get someone to insure him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pejcha View Post
    In the end Kaberle will play in Kladno.
    Havlat wanted to play in Brno, but no chance he'll get someone to insure him.
    Which kaberle? There were two. A year ago one played for toronto and another for carolina.



    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...oing-overseas/
    Tomas Tatar to HK Dukla Trencin
    Jakub Kindl to HK Pardubice
    Roman Polak to HK Vitkovice
    Alexei Emelin to AK Bars Kazan

    http://en.rian.ru/sports/20120921/176137111.html
    Sergei Bobrovsky to SKA

    http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/..._prepares.html
    Tyler Seguin to Beil

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/09/2...uring-lockout/
    Andrew Ference to HC Ceske Budejovice
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    According to IHF forum member Bennison in this season's Elitserien thread, the Swedish Competition Authority has overruled Elitserien's decision to ban short term contracts for NHL players as against Swedish law.

    Accordingly, I expect a lot of Swedish players to play in Elitserien now.

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    Great to see swedish nhlers signing with their youth clubs and playing for free.

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    Tomas Tatar to HK Dukla Trencin
    not, but to SHK 36 Piestany, it is new team in slovak league. Contract is untill AHL starts
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    Quote Originally Posted by woppa View Post
    Which kaberle? There were two. A year ago one played for toronto and another for carolina.
    Tomas (the one from Montreal)

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    Anton Babchuk to Donbas
    http://en.rian.ru/sports/20120921/176146289.html

    Michael Frolik to Chomutov (Czech league)
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...odus-to-europe

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    Welp... the red wings organization released a nice gem and got fined for it.

    "The owners can basically be viewed as the ranch, and the players, and me included, are the cattle," Devellano said. "The owners own the ranch and allow the players to eat there. That's the way it's always been and that the way it will be forever. And the owners simply aren't going to let a union push them around. It's not going to happen."
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/red-win...6746--nhl.html

    Really an outstanding gem, enough top disguist me and hopefully others too. :/
    With such a mindframe I think it's fair to say that an end to the lockout is not at all near?

    edit: I have edited the first post, any feedback on how to improve that list would be appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woppa View Post




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    Edit, and to be edited as the list grows...

    KHL
    Alexei Emelin- AK Bars Kazan
    Anton Khudobin- Atlant Moscow
    Antropov to Barys
    Bryzgalov- CSKA Moscow
    Datsyuk- CSKA Moscow
    Fedotenko- Donbas Donetsk
    Ponikarovski- Donbas Donetsk
    Anton Babchuk- Donbas Donetsk
    Ovechkin- Dynamo Moscow
    Daugavins- Dynamo Riga
    Jakub Voracek- Lev Prague
    Jiri Hudler- Lev Prague
    Vladimir Sobotka- Lev Prague
    Malkin- Magnitogorsk
    Gonchar- Magnitogorsk
    Yakupov - Neftekhimik Nizhnekamsk
    Sergei Bobrovsky- SKA Petersburg
    Kovalchuk - SKA Petersburg
    Lubomir Visnovsky- SlovanBratislava
    Semyon Varlamov- Lokomotiv Yaroslav
    Kostitsyn- Traktor
    Voynov- Traktor
    bold - not confirmed
    I would add "Andrei" to Kostitsyn- Traktor, his bro is rumoured to Salavat Yulaev
    Sobotka - dont think he will appear in Lev. They have tooo many F now, F Birner was loaned to TPS to make a spot for Voracek/Hudler. Club wants D as I know.
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    Andrei Kostitsyn shouldnt be on the list to begin with, he isnt a lockout signing as he has no contract to go back to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starkovs View Post
    Andrei Kostitsyn shouldnt be on the list to begin with, he isnt a lockout signing as he has no contract to go back to.
    yeah, true. Btw any news on Kulikov?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vorky View Post
    yeah, true. Btw any news on Kulikov?
    No, I havent hear anything about him, thought he was going back to Loko. I hope to see Loktionov come back though, could do him some real good.

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    Anthony Stewart signed with the Nottingham Panthers

    http://www.panthers.co.uk/content/an...ers-direct-nhl
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    Alexander Semin (Syomin) confirmed at Sokol Krasnoyarsk (VHL). His first game is 28 September with Kazzinc-Torpedo Ust-Kamenogorsk in town. If it sounds like a strange place to play, Semin was born in Krasnoyarsk. Importantly, his contract is valued at a whopping zero rubles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trim View Post
    Alexander Semin (Syomin) confirmed at Sokol Krasnoyarsk (VHL). His first game is 28 September with Kazzinc-Torpedo Ust-Kamenogorsk in town. If it sounds like a strange place to play, Semin was born in Krasnoyarsk. Importantly, his contract is valued at a whopping zero rubles.
    Wow. Amazing, in my opinion. Yet, kinda inspirational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woppa View Post
    Wow. Amazing, in my opinion. Yet, kinda inspirational.
    Several Swedish players have done the same, which is interesting as the players seems to be generally denounced as spoiled money-grubbing millionaires with no regard for the true hockey fans.

    Alexander Steen has signed with Modo in Swedish elitserien, and Modo will be the first (?) club to break the unofficial "no-NHL players" rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennison View Post
    Several Swedish players have done the same, which is interesting as the players seems to be generally denounced as spoiled money-grubbing millionaires with no regard for the true hockey fans.

    Alexander Steen has signed with Modo in Swedish elitserien, and Modo will be the first (?) club to break the unofficial "no-NHL players" rule.
    It's a brutal rebutal to the owners who say that the players are greedy money grabbers or something heh.







    I don't understand this, but...
    http://arenan.yle.fi/radio/1684602
    Sean Bergenheim to ...? some help please? The article is in swedish however, not finnish. But I can't figure out which club.



    Also, Erik Christensen is in Lev, I think I missed him.


    Nikita Nikitin - Omsk

    Gabrovski - CSKA

    Max Pacioretty - Ambri-Piotta (Swiss)

    Rich Peverley - JYP Jyvaskyla (Finnish)

    Tuukka Rask - HC Plzen (Czech)

    Wayne Simmonds - Eispiraten Crimmitschau (German)

    Chris Stewart - Eispiraten Crimmitschau (German)


    Andrei Kostitsyn shouldnt be on the list to begin with, he isnt a lockout signing as he has no contract to go back to.
    Perhaps the thing should be called transactions since the end of the last NHL season? I'd say that it's a good bet that he would be in the NHL were there no lockout.




    Here's Nash and Thornton...

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-l...%20with%20head
    LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by woppa View Post
    I don't understand this, but...
    http://arenan.yle.fi/radio/1684602
    Sean Bergenheim to ...? some help please? The article is in swedish however, not finnish. But I can't figure out which club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trim View Post
    Alexander Semin (Syomin) confirmed at Sokol Krasnoyarsk (VHL). His first game is 28 September with Kazzinc-Torpedo Ust-Kamenogorsk in town. If it sounds like a strange place to play, Semin was born in Krasnoyarsk. Importantly, his contract is valued at a whopping zero rubles.
    Good on Syomin, turns down KHL offers to play for hometown club because..he wants to let his grandmother watch him play, as well as friends. Big kudos to him, however if the lock-out goes long, I bet he moves to the KHL before the transfer window closes.

    Quote Originally Posted by woppa View Post
    Wayne Simmonds - Eispiraten Crimmitschau (German)
    Chris Stewart - Eispiraten Crimmitschau (German)
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    Victor Hedman is rumoured to Barys Astana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennison View Post
    Victor Hedman is rumoured to Barys Astana.
    With how inept they've been this year, I hope this comes true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennison View Post
    Victor Hedman is rumoured to Barys Astana.
    official now. http://hcbarys.kz/ru/news/view/plyus...tra-k-zaschite
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    I'm not keeping up, too busy!
    Here's a bit though...


    Tavares to HC Bern
    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/stor...wiss-club-bern

    Andrej Sekera to Slovan Bratislava
    http://en.rian.ru/sports/20120927/176262093.html

    Pekka Rinne to Dynamo Minsk
    http://en.rian.ru/sports/20120926/176237222.html

    Semyon Varlamov to Lokomotiv
    Dmitry Kulikov to Lokomotiv
    http://en.rian.ru/sports/20120927/176262718.html

    Evander Kane to Dynamo Minsk
    http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/84...nsk-russia-khl

    Marcel Goc to Alder Mannheim
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marcel-...ZQFjcACOjQtDMD

    Frans Nielsen to Rauma Lukko
    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...al-in-finland/

    Erik Karlsson to Jokerit
    http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/ka...h-finnish-team

    Peverley to JYP Jyvaskyla
    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rich-pe...ZQ1H8AyRrQtDMD

    Angry Old Geezer - venting
    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-l...ers%20overseas

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    The league and the NHLPA have been meeting the past few days, discussing various non-core (i.e., non-economic) issues such as the age/number of years of service a player must be/serve before reaching unrestricted free agency, drug policies, disciplinary policies, etc.

    They are scheduled to meet tomorrow to discuss the core economic issues.

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    HC RED ICE gets their big fish after Pavelski turns them down by bringing in Patric Hörnqvist for month plus months added if wanted. As well, training with the club is Alexei Kovalev

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    Four NHL players....all Alaska natives......have signed short term contracts with the ECHL's Alaska Aces.

    Brandon Dubinsky, Scott Gomez, Nate Thompson & Joey Crabb.

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    Not a surprise but first two weeks of season gone
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=406758

    If find this statement for Fehr to be hilarious
    If the owners truly cared about the game and the fans, they would lift the lockout and allow the season to begin on time while negotiations continue
    I like how he keeps bringing this up, nice to treat the North American public like a bunch of idiots who dont remember what he did in Baseball. I also find it funny the PA is trying to fight the lock-out in Provinces by saying its unlawful..how exactly dosnt that cause HUGE rifts in the Players Union?

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    The Eredivisie now has their first, too:

    Dustin Jeffrey goes from Pittsburgh Penguins to Tilburg Trappers (where Barry Smith is head coach)
    https://twitter.com/PensNewsFeed
    http://www.trappers.nl/sensationele-...stil-trappers/
    You can be sincere and still be stupid - Fyodor Dostoyevsky

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    Here are the best links I found to all NHL-EUROPE AND KLH TRANSFERS. Helps keeping track and can be updated.

    http://www.thefourthperiod.com/lockout_tracker.html


    http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/page/...layers-playing

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    Seeing "Rinland" on one of them made me laugh XD



    Here's another list btw, I like it the most
    http://www.eliteprospects.com/lockout.php

    Seems like the hamilton bulldogs got quite a few nhl players.
    They really ought to consider making a small league with a new team in quebec, perhaps one in London, Mississauga, one here one there...

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    NY Rangers defenseman Ryan McDonagh to the KHL's Barys Astana.

    NY Rangers forward Carl Hagelin to Allsvenskan's Sodertalje.

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