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    Wow, Japan is winning against Slovenia, call me surprised. Thought it wouldn't be a blowout since Japan can play intelligent defensively, but to win against the favourites? Respect!

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    Day 1; Game 2

    Japan - Slovenia 2:1 (0:0, 0:1, 2:0)
    0:1 - 38.51 Ziga Pavlin (Mursak)
    1:1 - 44.47 Daisuke Obara (Takahashi)
    2:1 - 53.13 Denis Akimoto (Takahashi, Nishiwaki) PP1
    PIM: 6x2 - 5x2 SOG: 15-27 Att: 2333
    Goalkeepers: Yukata Fukufuji 26/27 - Andrej Hocevar 13/15
    Refs: Alexei Anisimov (RUS), Jari Leppaalho (FIN) Linesmen: Markku Buese (FIN), Judson Ritter (USA)
    JPN: Fukufuji Yukata; Keller Aaron +A, Hashimoto Ryo, Kawai Takuma, Tanaka Go +C, Kuji Shuhei +A, Akimoto Denis, Yamashita Yakafumi, Nishiwaki Masahito, Obara Daisuke, Takahashi Seiji, Sasaki Kazumasa, Yanadori Shinya, Saito Takeshi, Ueno Hiroki, Yamashita Takuro, Sakata Shun, Osawa Yuto, Sato Hiroshi, Mitamura Kohei, Takagi Kenta
    SLO: Hocevar Andrej; Robar Mitja, Gregorc Blaz, Mursak Jan +A, Music Ales, Urbas Jan, Podlipnik Matic, Pavlin Ziga, Rodman David, Pance Ziga, Rodman Marcel +A, Tavzelj Andrej, Stebih Miha, Ankerst Jaka, Golicic Bostjan, Razingar Tomaz +C, Tosic Luka, Leber Rok, Kuralt Anze, Koren Gal, Verlic Miha

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    south korea really gotta pick things up if they dont wanna get relegated.. 7 goals against is a terrible defensive effort. even if one of them was an open netter( which was a terrible giveaway!!)
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    Day 1; Game 3

    Korea - Hungary 4:7 (0:2, 1:3, 3:2)
    0:1 - 14.18 Istvan Bartalis (Hari) PP1
    0:2 - 17.43 Zsolt Azari (Benk, Sebok)
    0:3 - 27.12 Zsolt Azari(2) (Tokaji, J.Vas) PP1
    0:4 - 34.27 Istvan Sofron (Hari, M.Vas) PP1
    1:4 - 35.16 Brock Radunske (S.Kim, D.K.Lee) PP1
    1:5 - 37.49 Csaba Kovacs (J.Vas, Hari)
    1:6 - 40.46 Istvan Bartalis(2) (Groschl)
    2:6 - 42.52 Brock Radunske(2) (K.Kim)
    3:6 - 47.03 Sanghoon Shin (Y.Lee, W.Kim)
    4:6 - 56.01 Don Ku Lee (Cho, S.Kim) PP1
    4:7 - 58.57 Istvan Bartalis(3) (J.Vas) SH1 EN
    PIM: 6x2+1x5x20 - 7x2 SOG: 28-34 Att: 2775
    Goalkeepers: Sungje Park 22/28 (Hoseung Son 5/5) - Zoltan Hetenyi 24/28
    Refs: Robert Mullner (SVK), Jean-Philippe Sylvain (CAN) Linesmen: Johannes Kack (SWE), Roman Kaderli (SUI)
    KOR: Park Sungje (16.27 Son Hoseung); Lee Don Ku, Oh Hyonho, Kim Sangwook, Kim Kisung, Radunske Brock +A, Young Bryan William, Kim Donghwan, Kim Won Jung +A, Cho Minho, Swift Michael Owen, Kim Wooyoung, Chang Jun-Il, Ahn Hyunmin, Kim Hyung Joon, Lee Young Jun, Kim Yoonhwan, Kim Hyunsoo, Park Woosang, Shin Sanghoon, Lee Yongjun +C
    HUN: Hetenyi Zoltan; Vas Marton, Huffner Adrian, Koger Daniel, Sofron Istvan, Bartalis Istvan, Groschl Tamas, Sziranyi Bence, Kovacs Csaba +A, Vas Janos +A, Hari Janos, Tokaji Viktor +C, Pozsgai Tamas, Sebok Balazs, Benk Andras, Azari Zsolt, Varga Arnold, Orban Attila, Nagy Krisztian, Mihaly Arpad, Magosi Balint

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    Wow, Japan beating slovenia?!

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    As far as Koreans go their individual skill is quite ok. They can skate and pass fairly well for this level. Might not say the same about their strength as Hungarians were a lot stronger along the boards but that could be explained by the size of their team. However the positioning was just atrocious. The positions they chose on the ice and their constant running after the guy with the puck was quite hard to watch. It especially showed on PK which pretty much led to Hungarians scoring those goals. Maybe it says something about their coaching as the players were constantly out of position and unable to divide the opposing players between themselves. Park Sung Je looked rather shaky and Son Ho Seung actually looked a lot better as he wasn't dropping the pucks and giving up rebounds. As the team goes of course the Canadians (Koradians? Caneans? Kornucks?) stood out.
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    Stunned.....absolutely stunned......at Japan beating Slovenia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Stunned.....absolutely stunned......at Japan beating Slovenia.
    Same here, btw austria has beaten those japanese 4-1.
    I still don´t understand what happened to slovenian team in that japan match.

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    Day 2; Game 4

    Austria - Japan 4:1 (0:1, 1:0, 3:0)
    0:1 - 05.29 Takuro Yamashita (Saito)
    1:1 - 25.09 Stefan Geier
    2:1 - 44.13 Thomas Hundertpfund (Koch, Lebler)
    3:1 - 47.37 Mario Altmann (Komarek, Oberkofler) PP1
    4:1 - 58.54 Brian Lebler (Hundertpfund, Heinrich) EN
    PIM: 4x2 - 9x2+1x10 SOG: 39-22 Att: 1616
    Goalkeepers: Bernhard Starkbaum 19/20 - Yutaka Fukufuji 35/38
    Refs: Andreas Koch (SUI), Jari Lappaalho (FIN) Linesmen: Youngjin Chae (KOR), Roman Kaderli (SUI)
    AUT: Starkbaum Bernhard; Altmann Mario, Schumnig Martin, Lebler, Brian, Koch Thomas +C, Hundertpfund Thomas +A, Heinrich Dominique, Schlacher Markus, Komarek Konstantin, Oberkofler Daniel +A, Iberer Matthias, Muhlstein Florian, Bacher Stefan, Petrik Nicolas, Schiechl Benjamin, Peter Patrik, Mitterdorfer Daniel, Fischer Mario, Geier Stefan, Geier Manuel
    JPN: Fukufuji Yutaka; Keller Aaron +A, Hashimoto Ryo, Kawai Takuma, Tanaka Go +C, Kuji Shuhei +A, Akimoto Denis, Yamashita Takafumi, Nishiwaki Masahito, Obara Daisuke, Takahashi Seiji, Sasaki Kazumasa, Yanadori Shinya, Osawa Yuto, Sato Hiroshi, Takagi Kenta, Sakata Shun, Mitamura Kohei, Saito Takeshi, Ueno Hiroki, Yamashita Takuro

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    Day 2; Game 5

    Hungary - Ukraine 0:3 (0:1, 0:2, 0:0)
    0:1 - 04.57 Yevgen Belukhin (Mikhnov, Blagy) PP1
    0:2 - 29.49 Oleg Shafarenko (Tymchenko, Petrukhno) PP2
    0:3 - 30.52 Oleg Tymchenko (Petrukhno, Materukhin) PP1
    PIM: 10x2 - 4x2 SOG: 15-40 Att: 1712
    Goalkeepers: Zoltan Hetenyi 37/40 - Sergi Gaiduchenko 15/15
    Refs: Marcus Brill (GER), Jan Hribik (CZE) Linesmen: Markku Buese (FIN), Judson Ritter (USA)
    HUN: Hetenyi Zoltan; Vas Marton, Huffner Adrian, Koger Daniel, Sofron Istvan, Bartalis Istvan, Groschl Tamas, Sziranyi Bence, Kovacs Csaba +A, Vas Janos +A, Hari Janos, Tokaji Viktor +C, Pozsgai Tamas, Sebok Balazs, Benk Adras, Azari Zsolt, Varga Arnold, Orban Attila, Nagy Krisztian, Mihaly Arpad, Magosi Balint
    UKR: Gaiduchenko Sergi; Navarenko Yuri, Podyedonostsev Olexander, Mikhanov Andri, Blagy Roman, Belukhin Yevgen +A, Isayenko Denys, Petrukhnov Denys, Shafarenko Oleg, Tymchenko Oleg, Materukhin Olexander +A, Kugut Igor, Skrypets Danylo, Varlamov Sergi +C, Toryanyk Olexander, Kvitchenko Maxym, Ladygin Mykola, Nimenko Dmytro, Zakharov Viktor, Padakin Pavlo, Bondaryev Artem

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    Ukraine was classes above us today.

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    Another surprising result. Interesting group this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Helix- View Post
    Another surprising result. Interesting group this year.
    There is nothing suprise that Ukraine could win this tournament. Their roster might be best all of this group teams although some great players missing. But the key questioning is what kind of hockey coach Nazarov like to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Helix- View Post
    Another surprising result. Interesting group this year.
    What is surprising in it? We have a team where more than half of the players are new compared to them two years ago...

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    Day 2; Game 6

    Slovenia - Korea 4:0 (0:0, 2:0, 2:0)
    1:0 - 25.51 Jan Urbas (Music, Robar) PP1
    2:0 - 26.47 Miha Verlic (Leber, Kuralt)
    3:0 - 40.39 Ales Music
    4:0 - 59.06 Jan Urbas(2) SH1 EN
    PIM: 8x2+1x10 - 6x2 SOG: 33-32 Att: 2347
    Goalkeepers: Luka Gracnar 32/32 - Hoseung Son 29/32
    Refs: Alexei Anisimov (RUS), Jean-Philippe Sylvain (CAN) Linesmen: Johannes Kack (SWE), Kensuke Kanazawa (JPN)
    SLO: Gracnar Luka; Robar Mitija, Gregorc Blaz, Mursak Jan +A, Music Ales, Urbas Jan, Podlipnik Matic, Pavlin Ziga, Rodman David, Pance Ziga, Rodman Marcel +A, Tavzelj Andrej, Stebih Miha, Ankerst Jaka, Golicic Bostjan, Razingar Tomaz +C, Tosic Luka, Leber Rok, Kuralt Anze, Koren Gal, Verlic Miha
    KOR: Son Hoseung; Lee Don Ku, Oh Hyonho, Kim Sangwook, Kim Kisung, Radunske Brock +A, Young Bryan Willaim, Kim Donghwan, Kim Won Jung +A, Cho Minho, Swift Michael Owen, Kim Yoonhwan, Kim Hyunsoo, Park Woosang, Shin Sanghoon, Lee Yongjun +C, Kim Wooyoung, Chang Jun-Il, Ahn Hyunmin, Kim Hyung Joon, Lee Young Jun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabal View Post
    I still don´t understand what happened to slovenian team in that japan match.
    What happened is the IIHF Schedule. Having a tournament when the top Euro leagues still havent finished.. Four players (the first offensive line Jeglič-Tičar-Sabolič and top offensive defender Kranjc) are playing in the DEL finals, the top goalie Kristan is playing it the Slovak Extraleague finals, top pair defender Kovačević is playing in the VHL finals, Kopitar is playing NHL playoffs (though this was expected for months) + one or two injuries (Pretnar..) and this is what you get. Slovenia doesnt have a pool of 1000 players to choose from, they have like 50.

    Also, Japan had always caused problems to Slovenia. Even when Slovenia had majority of their top players in the line up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zamo86 View Post
    What happened is the IIHF Schedule. Having a tournament when the top Euro leagues still havent finished.. Four players (the first offensive line Jeglič-Tičar-Sabolič and top offensive defender Kranjc) are playing in the DEL finals, the top goalie Kristan is playing it the Slovak Extraleague finals, top pair defender Kovačević is playing in the VHL finals, Kopitar is playing NHL playoffs (though this was expected for months)
    IIHF schedule or the national leagues? This unfortunately becomes a problem when players are plying their skills abroad. The higher up the way you go, those federations have longer seasons as they end before their national team plays in the World Championships or just don't control the league (Canada, USA). Players from less successful nations in those leagues basically get stuck in a schedule for another country's program. I don't see why the Division I tournaments can't be pushed closer to the big show since the elite 16 can just play teams from the other group to prepare while Division I teams can get their best available (non-NA based) players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zamo86 View Post
    What happened is the IIHF Schedule. Having a tournament when the top Euro leagues still havent finished.. Four players (the first offensive line Jeglič-Tičar-Sabolič and top offensive defender Kranjc) are playing in the DEL finals, the top goalie Kristan is playing it the Slovak Extraleague finals, top pair defender Kovačević is playing in the VHL finals, Kopitar is playing NHL playoffs (though this was expected for months) + one or two injuries (Pretnar..) and this is what you get. Slovenia doesnt have a pool of 1000 players to choose from, they have like 50.

    Also, Japan had always caused problems to Slovenia. Even when Slovenia had majority of their top players in the line up.
    Ok, i know some players are missing in slovenian roster. But look at austria´s roster, they have probably the most players to be missed in this tournament and have beaten ukraine and japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susi View Post
    There is nothing suprise that Ukraine could win this tournament. Their roster might be best all of this group teams although some great players missing. But the key questioning is what kind of hockey coach Nazarov like to play.
    I strongly doubt that Ukraine is having "the best roster" of this tournament. Goaltending is definitely sub par, the team is overall rather slow and not very agile (esp. the defensemen) and most notably the team showed a big lack of fitness in the game against Austria. While there's certainly a couple of pretty good players on the team Ukraine will have severe problems against any team that keeps the pace high, gets pucks to the net and forces them to skate a lot to get to scoring chances. In other words this Ukrainian team is rather unimpressive to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    I strongly doubt that Ukraine is having "the best roster" of this tournament. Goaltending is definitely sub par, the team is overall rather slow and not very agile (esp. the defensemen) and most notably the team showed a big lack of fitness in the game against Austria. While there's certainly a couple of pretty good players on the team Ukraine will have severe problems against any team that keeps the pace high, gets pucks to the net and forces them to skate a lot to get to scoring chances. In other words this Ukrainian team is rather unimpressive to say the least.
    They had an other face today

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    The biggest problem in our team is that, that in first attacking trio is playing Mušič who is very limited player (for example Verlič played with him in the same attack in the club and scored more goals (and points) and now he plays in 4. attack!). Also in first game Hočevar was the first goalie (wasn't his fault for goals but still he could do it better). Mušič is good PK player and nothing more. He could be playing as 3rd or 4th line center (in OG he was playing in 4th line), but for sure not as 1. line center as he is playing now. He just don't have skills for that. But coach has unconditional faith in him. Why is that I don't know. He did score today and had one assist but against Japan he was invisible. Well until he made stupid faul for PP and then Japan scored winning goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabal View Post
    Ok, i know some players are missing in slovenian roster. But look at austria´s roster, they have probably the most players to be missed in this tournament and have beaten ukraine and japan.
    But Austria has ten times the bigger pool of players than Slovenia to choose from. Every miss affects Slovenia much more than it does Austria. I dont think people even realize the pool size of the potential national team players for Slovenia. Though, I still think the team can finish on the top two spots and gets promoted.

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    I know Hungary is missing a few guys, but I still figured them to promote.

    This group continues to surprise me.

    This past summer, Ukraine sent a team to the Maccabiah games in Israel. The Ukrainians aren't Jewish, but the game organizers needed a fourth team and the Israeli and Ukrainian federations apparently have good relations. Several of the top Ukrainian players in this tournament were on that roster (including but not limited to Tymchenko & Shafarenko, and the summer roster included Zhitnik). They lost to both the Canadian and American Jewish teams and beat Israel - which was using almost exclusively Israeli league players and none of their pros - by 'only' 12-3 and 9-5 scores. I mention this because I didn't expect Ukraine to come close to beating Hungary, or to take Austria to OT. I figured them to beat the Asian teams, and that's it. Had they been able to get Fedetenko and Ponikarovsky, I would have expected third place for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    This past summer, Ukraine sent a team to the Maccabiah games in Israel. The Ukrainians aren't Jewish, but the game organizers needed a fourth team and the Israeli and Ukrainian federations apparently have good relations. Several of the top Ukrainian players in this tournament were on that roster (including but not limited to Tymchenko & Shafarenko, and the summer roster included Zhitnik). They lost to both the Canadian and American Jewish teams and beat Israel - which was using almost exclusively Israeli league players and none of their pros - by 'only' 12-3 and 9-5 scores. I mention this because I didn't expect Ukraine to come close to beating Hungary, or to take Austria to OT. I figured them to beat the Asian teams, and that's it. Had they been able to get Fedetenko and Ponikarovsky, I would have expected third place for them.
    According to the roster you posted, only three players from that roster are here and thats Isayenko, Nimenko and Shafarenko, the rest of that roster comes nowhere close to their roster here. Not only are majority of those players well into their late 30s, they havent even played in a few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    I know Hungary is missing a few guys, but I still figured them to promote.

    This group continues to surprise me.

    This past summer, Ukraine sent a team to the Maccabiah games in Israel. The Ukrainians aren't Jewish, but the game organizers needed a fourth team and the Israeli and Ukrainian federations apparently have good relations. Several of the top Ukrainian players in this tournament were on that roster (including but not limited to Tymchenko & Shafarenko, and the summer roster included Zhitnik). They lost to both the Canadian and American Jewish teams and beat Israel - which was using almost exclusively Israeli league players and none of their pros - by 'only' 12-3 and 9-5 scores. I mention this because I didn't expect Ukraine to come close to beating Hungary, or to take Austria to OT. I figured them to beat the Asian teams, and that's it. Had they been able to get Fedetenko and Ponikarovsky, I would have expected third place for them.
    Luckily I won't get betsing tips for you =)

    Come on, how can you compare some summer tournament (included not nationalteam players) to this season's WC div 1, where is lots of KHL- and Belorussian league real professional players in the Ukrainian team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zamo86 View Post
    But Austria has ten times the bigger pool of players than Slovenia to choose from. Every miss affects Slovenia much more than it does Austria. I dont think people even realize the pool size of the potential national team players for Slovenia. Though, I still think the team can finish on the top two spots and gets promoted.
    I guess that's only true if you take the overall number of senior players registered. If so the numbers aren't meaningfully comparable between AUT and SLO as there are I think very different standards of who is registered and who is not (I for example count towards the number of senior players in AUT, I'm sure there's guys in Slovenia playing hockey who are waaaay better than me but are not included).

    So basically the number that counts to determine the player pool from which the NT can be recruited from is howm many guys are playing professionally (for AUT this is everyone playing in EBEL + the guys playing professionally abroad + top notch Juniors not yet under a pro contract) as everyone else (INL players for instance) is irrelevant. That's about only 120 players for AUT I'd say. No way that's ten times the number of Slovenia ;-)
    If we ask ourselves why AUT with much more clubs, rinks etc. produces only such a small number of pro players relative to Slovenia that's a whole different story (one with a bad ending for AUT compared to tiny SLO).

    That said, Austria has a very different problem than Slovenia if it comes up to missing players. The good players mising out for SLO most likely would play if they had no club duties to fullfill. The bigger number of good guys missing out for Austria are not left out because of club duties (that's only Michael Raffl and Vanek and EDIT: Herburger and Martin Ulmer in NLA) but either don't want to or can't play (retired, declined, injured...) or simply were not invited.
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    It is interesting how a Croatian player from Feldkirch, Michael Novak, currently has three points in two division IB games against opponents like Great Britain and Netherlands who are only one level bellow I. Novak was only twentieth on INL scorer list and Feldkirch didn't exactly have a brilliant season. My question is how do Austrian federation and EBEL look at INL as a place where junior players can prepare themselves for EBEL and for average players to have somewhere to play at competitive level while looking for another shot at EBEL?

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    Starkovs, Susi: I saw 5 or 6 guys from this Ukrainian roster on their Maccabiah roster, plus Zhitnik, plus a couple of guys on their entry list. At work now but will post names later.

    EDIT - Four guys from the summer roster (Isayenko, Shafarenko, Nimenko, Tymchenko), plus Razin from the entry list, plus Zhitnik, Karpenko, Kharchenko and Klymentiev.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    EDIT - Four guys from the summer roster (Isayenko, Shafarenko, Nimenko, Tymchenko), plus Razin from the entry list, plus Zhitnik, Karpenko, Kharchenko and Klymentiev.
    Look at their first names, Vyacheslav Tymchenko is a way different player than Oleg, same with Razin. Adding the rest of them is nice, but there is a reason none of them were brought into camp and 3 of the 4 are retired now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
    It is interesting how a Croatian player from Feldkirch, Michael Novak, currently has three points in two division IB games against opponents like Great Britain and Netherlands who are only one level bellow I. Novak was only twentieth on INL scorer list and Feldkirch didn't exactly have a brilliant season. My question is how do Austrian federation and EBEL look at INL as a place where junior players can prepare themselves for EBEL and for average players to have somewhere to play at competitive level while looking for another shot at EBEL?
    I assume EBEL clubs have an eye on the INL teams and would notice players that are worthwhile to consider signing. But actually this is very rare (can't remember a case of a non-junior player from INL resp. Nationalliga who got signed by an EBEL team in the last years). Players moving from INL to EBEL are typically the very best U20s of their clubs who already play for the INL squad and are signed away by EBEL teams (or play in INL and EBEL parallel via a farmteam agreement like between Dornbirn and Bregenzerwald). Most of these players start with the EBYSL teams of their new clubs and then move up to the EBEL squad if they develop well enough. Of course only few make it to an EBEL career and many return to INL (or quit hockey) after a few seasons. Other transfers from EBEL to INL concern also older players that fail to hang on in EBEL for some reason (injuries, problems to cope with the rigours of pro hockey,...) but are strong enough for INL (guys who fit this pattern are often the key players of the INL teams besides the imports). The way back from INL to EBEL for such guys is however as good as non-existent.

    It would be good if INL was more a developmental league for EBEL but as of now it isn'treally. Developing prospective EBEL players within the EBEL teams' (training and games in EBYSL plus training with the pro team and EBEL game ice time now and then when demand is high) seems to beat playing and practising on semi-pro level. Combinations between these two ways might be attractive but are not widely in place right now (the cooperation between Dornbirn and Bregenzerwald is the exception).

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    Ah, OK, didn't notice that. Was too busy trying to cross-reference the varied English spellings of the last names. Looks like the summer roster was mostly past national team players as opposed to current ones.

    With that said, I still did not expect to see Ukraine (regardless of who they used) play so well against Hungary, especially since they did not have Fedetenko or Ponikarovsky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerusz View Post
    They had an other face today
    Which might be due to an exceptionally good day for them and/or due to Hungary not being able to force a kind of game on them they are not good at playing. Don't get me wrong, Ukraine can certainly win against any other team of this tournament but they can't really be considered favourites for gold I think. Their roster is to a big extent identical to what they sent to the previous tournaments (including OG qualifier) and we know what they have achieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerusz View Post
    What is surprising in it? We have a team where more than half of the players are new compared to them two years ago...
    And Ukraine were in 1B last year. I figured they might be able to beat Korea but any other win would be an upset. Though the most surprising part is that it appeared to be so lopsided. From looking at the stats, it doesn't look like Hungary even tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    Which might be due to an exceptionally good day for them and/or due to Hungary not being able to force a kind of game on them they are not good at playing. Don't get me wrong, Ukraine can certainly win against any other team of this tournament but they can't really be considered favourites for gold I think. Their roster is to a big extent identical to what they sent to the previous tournaments (including OG qualifier) and we know what they have achieved.
    No. I saw them several times, like the Kazakhs. And I always had the impression that they are not playing with full energy. Like they would not like to give verything, just the necessary. And it does not help whemn they meet a team which is about as strong as they are ofr more determined, more motivated.

    This year the Ukrainians had special motivation against us i'm sure since their relegation two years ago was sealed after we lost against GB...

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Helix- View Post
    And Ukraine were in 1B last year. I figured they might be able to beat Korea but any other win would be an upset. Though the most surprising part is that it appeared to be so lopsided. From looking at the stats, it doesn't look like Hungary even tried.
    They never ever belonged to div I B. It was their lack of motivation two years ago - don't ask me why.

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    Day 3; Game 7

    Slovenia - Hungary 2:0 (0:0, 2:0, 0:0)
    1:0 - 21.47 Tomaz Razingar (Stebih, Pavlin)
    2:0 - 25.21 Anze Kuralt (Gregorc)
    PIM: 5x2 - 3x2 SOG: 33-31 Att: 1670
    Goalkeepers: Luka Gracnar 31/31 - Zoltan Hetenyi 31/33
    Refs: Jan Hribik (CZE), Jari Leppaalho (FIN) Linesmen: Roman Kaderli (SUI), Tomas Pesek (CZE)
    SLO: Gracnar Luka; Robar Mitija, Gregorc Blaz, Mursak Jan +A, Music Ales, Pance Ziga, Podlipnik Matic, Pavlin Ziga, Rodman David, Rodman Marcel +A, Urbas Jan, Tavzelj Andrej, Stebih Miha, Golcic Bostjan, Razingar Tomaz +C, Kuralt Anze, Tosic Luka, Leber Rok, Ankerst Jake, Koren Gal, Verlic Miha
    HUN: Hetenyi Zoltan; Vas Marton, Huffner Adrian, Kovacs Csaba +A, Vas Janos +A, Magosi Balint, Tokaji Viktor +C, Pozsgai Tamas, Sofron Istvan, Hari Janos, Bartalis Istvan, Groschl Tamas, Sziranyi Bence, Sebok Balazs, Benk Andras, Azari Zsolt, Varga Arnold, Orban Attila, Nagy Krisztian, Koger Daniel, Mihaly Arpad

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    Day 3; Game 8

    Ukraine - Japan 2:3 (1:2, 0:0, 1:1)
    0:1 - 04.31 Shuhei Kuji (Keller, Tanaka) PP1
    1:1 - 07.19 Olexander Materukhin (Tymchenko)
    1:2 - 13.11 Shuhei Kuji(2) (Hashimoto, Kawai)
    2:2 - 42.54 Andri Mikhnov (Shafarenko, Blagy)
    2:3 - 58.16 Takuro Yamashita (Akimoto, Saito)
    PIM: 4x2 - 5x2+1x10 SOG: 26-24 Att: 1656
    Goalkeepers: Sergi Gaiduchenko 21/24 - Yutaka Fukufuji 24/26
    Refs: Andreas Koch (SUI), Robert Mullner (SVK) Linesmen: Youngijn Chae (KOR), Johannes Kack (SWE)
    UKR: Gaiduchenko Sergi; Navarenko Yuri, Pobyedonostsev Olexander, Mikhnov Andri, Blagy Roman, Belukhin Yevgen +A, Isayenko Denys, Petrukhno Denys, Shafarenko Oleg, Tymchenko Oleg, Materukhin Olexander +A, Kugut Igor, Skrypets Danylo, Varlamov Sergi +C, Toryanyk Olexander, Kvitchenko Maxym, Ladygin Mykola, Nimenko Dmytro, Zakharov Viktor, Padakin Pavlo
    JPN: Fukufuji Yutaka; Akimoto Denis, Yamashita Takafumi, Nishiwaki Masahito, Obara Daisuke, Takahashi Seiji, Sasaki Kazumasa, Yanadoria Shinya, Saito Takeshi, Ueno Hiroki, Yamashita Takuro, Keller Aaron +A, Hashimoto Ryo, Kawai Takuma, Tanaka Go +C, Kuji Shuhei +A, Sakata Shun, Osawa Yuto, Sato Hiroshi, Mitamura Kohei, Takagi Kenta

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    Again the worse face of Team Ukraine. I can never understand what they want to do on a world championships. And Japan is simply unbelievable. If they beat us, there will be an either Austria-or Slovenia match on Friday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerusz View Post
    Again the worse face of Team Ukraine. I can never understand what they want to do on a world championships. And Japan is simply unbelievable. If they beat us, there will be an either Austria-or Slovenia match on Friday...
    Are you sure this isn't their true face?
    I had hoped for a regulation time tie as it would have put AUT ahead of both UKR and JAP if we get 6 points out of the remaining 3 games. Didn't happen...

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    That pretty much relegates the Koreans. I fail to see how they could win over both - the Ukrainians and Japanese. I assume the Austrians should be stronger than them today, but I will be hoping for an upset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    Are you sure this isn't their true face?
    I had hoped for a regulation time tie as it would have put AUT ahead of both UKR and JAP if we get 6 points out of the remaining 3 games. Didn't happen...
    Yes. They can play much better than they usually do.

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    oha. Korea is up 3:0 against Austria after just about 10 minutes.

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    5-4 for Austria now. ;)

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    are they playing with 4 pucks at the same time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by itry View Post
    That pretty much relegates the Koreans. I fail to see how they could win over both - the Ukrainians and Japanese. I assume the Austrians should be stronger than them today, but I will be hoping for an upset.
    Too early to predict anything for Div I/A after 8 matches.

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    That's a game any coach must hate and the goalies don't shine either. Austria is on standby mode on defense and only the first block's offensive power saved the game so far for AUT. Horrible performance.

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    Day 3; Game 9

    Austria - Korea 7:4 (5:4, 0:0, 2:0)
    0:1 - 03.45 Woosang Park (K.Kim, Swift) PP2
    0:2 - 07.42 Minho Cho (Swift, K.Kim)
    0:3 - 08.13 Kisung Kim (S.Kim, Radunske)
    1:3 - 09.49 Michael Schiechl (Petrik, Bacher)
    2:3 - 11.12 Thomas Hundertpfund (Koch)
    3:3 - 12.08 Brian Lebler (Heinrich, Koch) PP1
    4:3 - 14.50 Brian Lebler(2) (Altmann, Schumnig)
    4:4 - 15.05 Kisung Kim (Radunske, S.Kim)
    5:4 - 16.52 Thomas Hundertpfund(2) (Lebler, Koch)
    6:4 - 53.31 Konstantin Komarek (Hundertpfund)
    7:4 - 57.30 Brian Lebler(3) (Koch) PP1
    PIM: 6x2 - 6x2+1x10 SOG: 37-29 Att: 2647
    Goalkeepers: Bernhard Starkbaum 25/29 - Hoseung Son 7/12 (40.00 Sungje Park 23/25)
    Refs: Alexei Anisimov (RUS), Marcus Brill (GER) Linesmen: Kensuke Kanazawa (JPN), Judson Ritter (USA)
    AUT: Starkbaum Bernhard; Altmann Mario, Schumnig Martin, Lebler Brian, Koch Thomas +C, Hundertfund Thomas +A, Heinrich Dominique, Schlacher Markus, Komarek Konstantin, Oberkofler Daniel +A, Iberer Matthias, Muhlsttein Florian, Bacher Stefan, Petrik Nicolas, Schiechl Michael, Petrik Benjamin, Peter Patrick, Mitterdorfer Daniel, Fischer Mario, Geier Stefan, Geier Manuel
    KOR: Son Hoseung (40.00 Park Sungje); Lee Don Ku, Oh Hyonho, Kim Sangwook, Kim Kisung, Radunske Brock +A, Kim Wooyoung, Kim Donghwan, Kim Won Jung +A, Cho Minho, Swift Michael Owen, Chang Jun-Il, Kim Yoonhwan, Park Wonsang, Shin Sanghoon, Lee Yongjun +C, Kim Hyunsoo, Ahn Hyimmin, Kim Hyung Joon, Lee Young Jun

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    What a crap game by the Austrians. Started with a great scoring chance not even a minute into the game and I guess everyone thought this can be done without effort and concentration. The Koreans used their opportunities to jump to a 3:0 lead and then it was a nice goal by Schiechl and the first line with Hundertpfund-Koch-Lebler that got AUT back into the game. going 5:4 into the first break I thought that now AUT will take control and get the 3 points home without any trouble. Very wrong. Korea skated a lot and battled hard, the Austrians were mostly lazy and slow and it was with plenty of good luck AUT didn't give up any more goals. The few good chances for AUT were left unused too. In both the second and the third period there were several really stupid fouls (Manuel Geier twice!) and the Koreans were close to tie it several times. In the end it was Konstantin Komarek (magnificent goal by him for the 6:4) and Brian who else Lebler's who sealed the deal.
    AUT had a good game against Ukraine and a very good game against Japan, today was the other side of the rebooted team. The guys probably have saved some energy for the crucial game tomorrow but if they don't crank it up substantially the hope for a second or even first place will find an end.

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    I didnt expect Japan regulation win over Ukraine (was hoping Ukraine would win in OT so Slovenia win over Ukraine in the next round would most likely clinch them a WC spot:). This complicates things.

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