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    IIHF 2015 IIHF Challenge Cup of Asia

    Anybody heard any news about plans for the next Men's event ?

    I know that Malaysia had planned to rejoin and that Qatar hoped to enter and host Division 1.

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    Singapore was slated to host an ASPG meeting from 15 to 17 August. Has anybody heard news from this? Nothing on SIHA or HKIHA's pages.
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    Checked with Martin Merk at the IIHF and he's heard nothing yet. When he hears he'll publish on IIHF.com

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    Singapore was slated to host an ASPG meeting from 15 to 17 August. Has anybody heard news from this? Nothing on SIHA or HKIHA's pages.

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    Quote from MIHF president that Malaysia are going to play in an international event in Kuwait in 2015.
    Could this be the CCoA Division 1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffH View Post
    Quote from MIHF president that Malaysia are going to play in an international event in Kuwait in 2015.
    Could this be the CCoA Division 1?

    Geoff
    Yep. Tournaments are listed now on the IIHF's Asia page. Once again, there won't be a U18 event.

    2015 Challenge Cup of Asia
    14-19 March 2015, Taipei City

    Chinese Taipei
    United Arab Emirates
    Mongolia
    Thailand
    Macau

    2015 Challenge Cup of Asia Division I
    20-27 April, Kuwait City

    Kuwait
    Kyrgyzstan
    Singapore
    India (to be confirmed)
    Malaysia
    Qatar
    Oman

    2015 Women's Challenge Cup of Asia Division I
    6-8 November 2014, Taipei City

    Hong Kong
    Thailand
    Chinese Taipei

    So the good news is Malaysia's return along with debuts to IIHF competition of Qatar and Oman. Interesting that the top division will only have five squads but Div I has seven (six if India doesn't make it). It would have been better to maintain Kuwait in the top but possibly they were better suited to host the Div I than the others. Hopefully Macau won't get thrashed as they were in the past.

    I find it a bit funny that there won't be a Women's Challenge Cup of Asia top level but the bottom level continues. Its a shame to see that both Singapore and the UAE pulled out but nice to see Chinese Taipei step up to the plate both as hosts and debutants.
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    iihf asian challenge cup taipei

    Hong kong play also so there are 6 countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trim View Post
    Yep. Tournaments are listed now on the IIHF's Asia page. Once again, there won't be a U18 event.

    2015 Challenge Cup of Asia
    14-19 March 2015, Taipei City

    Chinese Taipei
    United Arab Emirates
    Mongolia
    Thailand
    Macau

    2015 Challenge Cup of Asia Division I
    20-27 April, Kuwait City

    Kuwait
    Kyrgyzstan
    Singapore
    India (to be confirmed)
    Malaysia
    Qatar
    Oman

    2015 Women's Challenge Cup of Asia Division I
    6-8 November 2014, Taipei City

    Hong Kong
    Thailand
    Chinese Taipei

    So the good news is Malaysia's return along with debuts to IIHF competition of Qatar and Oman. Interesting that the top division will only have five squads but Div I has seven (six if India doesn't make it). It would have been better to maintain Kuwait in the top but possibly they were better suited to host the Div I than the others. Hopefully Macau won't get thrashed as they were in the past.

    I find it a bit funny that there won't be a Women's Challenge Cup of Asia top level but the bottom level continues. Its a shame to see that both Singapore and the UAE pulled out but nice to see Chinese Taipei step up to the plate both as hosts and debutants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rowan View Post
    Hong kong play also so there are 6 countries.
    Greetings,
    Rowan
    The IIHF forgot to mention them on both the page and this article then. Granted we're half a year ahead, but the HKIHA makes no mention of it on their site either.
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    Great news about Malaysia, Qatar and Oman. This means that all Asian members of the IIHF should be playing in IIHF events this season.

    Hope India can get the funding, which is always a problem for them, to enable them to compete.

    If HKG have dropped out it is presumably to concentrate on the WC. Last year they didn't send their strongest team to the CCoA.

    Kuwait can't move up to replace HKG as they are hosting Div 1.

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    Checked with a contact at IIHF and he says HKG have not entered.

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    The 2015 Women's Challenge Cup of Asia Division I begins today in Taipei. It marks the official debuts for the host team who will face reigning champions Hong Kong as well as Thailand. The tournament is played as a double round robin over two days, meaning each team will be on the ice four times over 48 hours.

    http://www.iihf.com/channels1415/wccoai/statistics/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciremya View Post
    The 2015 Women's Challenge Cup of Asia Division I begins today in Taipei. It marks the official debuts for the host team who will face reigning champions Hong Kong as well as Thailand. The tournament is played as a double round robin over two days, meaning each team will be on the ice four times over 48 hours.

    http://www.iihf.com/channels1415/wccoai/statistics/
    Two wins for TPE on day 1. Games are 3x15mins.

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    Well, looks like TPE maybe has another team to line up in WC. They won all 4 games outscoring their opponents 24-2. Thailand clinch silver with 4 pts while Hong Kong, with only half of last year's team, saved their honour today with a shootout win over the Thais.

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    Apparently, based on a source at IIHF, India have confirmed their participation in Kuwait in April.

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    Website now set up by the IIHF, for next week's championship ;

    http://www.iihf.com/channels1415/ccoa/statistics/

    Chinese Taipei should be comfortable winners, especially at home.

    Mongolia and UAE should be close for 2nd and 3rd.

    Thailand should have the edge over Macau for 4th and 5th.

    With only 5 teams, due to Hong Kong not entering, there will be no relegation.

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    UAE will be interesting to see if they use this as a tune-up for the Worlds, or if they send a "B" team of sorts to give other players a chance.
    Mongolia always depends on who is able to travel. Incomes there are very low, so not all their best players are able to travel every year, it's really expensive for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    Mongolia always depends on who is able to travel. Incomes there are very low, so not all their best players are able to travel every year, it's really expensive for them.
    That combined with the annual participation in the Bandy World Championships which sees lots of player cross-over as well. This year the financial hit on that was less severe as it was in Khabarovsk.
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    More on the IIHF website ;

    http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/news/

    Seems that the later Division 1 event in Kuwait will be played in two tiers with Malaysia, Oman and Qatar in the lower group.

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    Preliminary rosters are up for the CCoA.

    From what I see there, if they are able to bring that roster, Mongolia should be able to win this tournament. This looks like just about the best possible roster they could put on the ice.

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    No surprises so far, after first two days, perhaps MAC wishing they hadn't won promotion last year ;

    MGL 8 MAC 1
    UAE 5 THA 2
    TPE 30 MAC 0

    UAE v MGL should be good.

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    Taiwan should be competing in the IIHF Division 3 tournament. Their team is obviously good enough, and they are a wealthy country, so the travel costs should not be prohibitive for them.

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    Day 3 , halfway stage.

    UAE 6 MGL 1
    TPE 9 THA 0

    Two more decisive wins. Hopefully MGL v THA will be close and decide 3rd and 4th.

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    Day 4

    THA 4 MAC 1

    A much improved defensive show from Macau.

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    Day 5

    UAE 7 MAC 0

    TPE 8 MGL 2

    TPE and UAE both with 3 wins play for the title tomorrow.

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    Judging by what we've seen I expect Taipei to hammer UAE like they have with everyone else. They're ready for the Worlds, they've gotten too strong for the CCoA. I hope the IIHF push them to take that next step, especially since they've been in the junior categories for a few years now.

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    Glad to see Taiwan hammer everybody!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conesy View Post
    Glad to see Taiwan hammer everybody!
    Currently losing 2-3 to UAE !!

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    Last two games on Day 6.

    TPE 5 UAE 4 - decided 1st and 2nd places

    MGL 6 THA 2 - for 3rd and 4th

    MAC 5th

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffH View Post
    Last two games on Day 6.

    TPE 5 UAE 4 - decided 1st and 2nd places

    MGL 6 THA 2 - for 3rd and 4th

    MAC 5th

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    There have been 8 CCoA tournaments starting in 2008.

    TPE has won 5 times ( 2008,2010,2013,2014 and 2015 )

    UAE has won 2 ( 2009 and 2012 )

    HKG won in 2011.

    Twice TPE has been absent ( 2009 and 2011 ) and in 2012 they sent a weak team that lost all their matches.

    Think this year's event missed HKG, who would have had some close games. Only the final game was close until the end.

    Hope TPE do enter the IHWC, although I'd be happy for them to stay in the CCoA as UAE do.

    Geoff

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    But UAE will be playing this year's IHWC Div III in Izmir, Turkey...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennison View Post
    But UAE will be playing this year's IHWC Div III in Izmir, Turkey...
    Yea, that's what I meant. TPE could play in both as well.

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    UAE has more money to send teams to both. I suspect many TPE players couldn't do both. If they sent a "B Squad" to the CCoA their results would suffer but could be good for the overall development of the program.
    That being said, I think they would be better off in the Worlds program now, they have proven to be, at their peak, strong enough to make the jump. Especially with slightly weaker teams like UAE and HKG now in the Worlds as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    UAE has more money to send teams to both. I suspect many TPE players couldn't do both.
    It may even be reason for staying in the CCoA since they don't have the risk of being scheduled further away in Europe or South Africa where they may not have the money to cover it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs
    If they sent a "B Squad" to the CCoA their results would suffer but could be good for the overall development of the program.
    Couldn't agree more that it wouldn't be a terrible idea, though at the same time the NGB can turn to sponsors and say "look at our track record in the best tournament available to Asian teams" instead of saying "we finished 47th in the World Rankings this year."
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    It seems Qatar will not show up in Kuwait next month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciremya View Post
    It seems Qatar will not show up in Kuwait next month.
    Where'd you hear that from? That's a bloody shame if it's the case. Aside from not being far to travel, this is their first chance to impress on an IIHF stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    Where'd you hear that from? That's a bloody shame if it's the case. Aside from not being far to travel, this is their first chance to impress on an IIHF stage.
    Was on Twitter from National Teams of Ice Hockey, whose sources are usually reliable. Qatar team has pulled out late from events before.

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    I saw it on NToIH twitter and then I checked the Asia page from the IIHF website where they are not listed anymore for the coming event. Sorry, I should have mentionned my sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciremya View Post
    It seems Qatar will not show up in Kuwait next month.
    Lame! When teams withdraw, they should be forced to give a reason and have it published. Bulgaria went public with their U20's cancellation due to cost issues related to the men's, women's, and U18's having to travel outside of Europe.

    Even though it is probably too late, I'd like to see the tournament structure modified into a single round robin group. 15 games over 5 game days and 7 total days (18 to 24 April) would be nice.
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    Won't just be Qatar now as the IIHF's recently launched tournament page doesn't include the Kyrgyz or Omani. I'd venture to guess a lack of schedule is due to the massive reshuffling required from all the withdraws. From a record setting 12 participants, we're down to less than last year.
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    Kyrgyz... and Omani... damn. :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trim View Post
    Won't just be Qatar now as the IIHF's recently launched tournament page doesn't include the Kyrgyz or Omani. I'd venture to guess a lack of schedule is due to the massive reshuffling required from all the withdraws. From a record setting 12 participants, we're down to less than last year.
    My message prematurely evacuated. As of today, the Kyrgyz are on the page. At this rate, Oman will be there tomorrow...
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    Now I'm just lost. The IIHF's Asia page includes Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Singapore, India, and Oman. The tournament page has New Zealand instead of Oman. A case of not having Oman in the database?

    Meanwhile, Kuwait's entry list is up. Curiously as the hosts, they only have one goaltender listed, Jasem Alsarraf.
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    Where do you see the entry lists Trim? I haven't seen a page for the tournament?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    Where do you see the entry lists Trim? I haven't seen a page for the tournament?
    http://stats.iihf.com/asia/26/index.html

    By right clicking on the IIHF's usual pages, you can get the URL for the actual statistical page. In this case, the Challenge Cups generally increase in numerical sequence, though they haven't always.

    The major official tournaments, Continental Cup, European Women's Champions Cup, and World Championships are all available from http://stats.iihf.com
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    According to their Facebook page the India team still doesn't have the money to travel, so they must be considered doubtful.

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    IIHF article about Kuwait's training camps in Sweden.

    http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/n...04f8af6d0ece1e

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffH View Post
    According to their Facebook page the India team still doesn't have the money to travel, so they must be considered doubtful.

    Geoff

    More on this

    http://m.timesofindia.com/sports/mor...w/46834306.cms

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    IIHF site still under construction.

    Player entry list for India added.

    NZL deleted !!

    No mention of Oman.

    No match schedule yet.

    Geoff

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    2 warmjup exhibition matches to prepare for the tournament:
    10th April - Singapore 10-2 Malaysia
    11th April - Singapore 11-3 Malaysia
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