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    Czech Republic True names of old ČSSR teams

    Working with historical tables I meet some difficulties with old ČSSR (mostly Slovak) teams. One team can be named differently at the different sources. For example:
    Topoľčany
    Wikipedia gives (according the history at the official website, I think):
    1964 – TS Topoľčany
    1984 – TJ Slovan OSCR Topoľčany
    1990 – HC Topoľčany
    1993 – HC VTJ Topoľčany

    http://avlh.sweb.cz gives name as VTJ Topoľčany at the same period. The ČSSR weekly “Gól” gives also VTJ Topoľčany. What name of team at that period is true?

    Martin
    At Wikipedia:
    1965 – TJ Hutník Martin
    1978 – TJ Hutník ZŤS Martin
    1990 – HC Hutník ZŤS Martin
    http://avlh.sweb.cz gives TJ ZŤS Martin, “Gól” gives only city name – Martin. Somewhere I met name Strojarne Martin. So, the same question…

    Can somebody explain me the origin of these differences?

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    Its likely to just be how somebody writes the name, one source may write only the clubs common name while another may write its official name with the clubs sponsor in the title. For example, I only write, and I see it more often, clubs like MsHK Žilina and HK 36 Skalica written like that when their names are MsHK DOXXbet Žilina and HK 36 HANT Skalica.
    It also can depend on....I guess I will call it "trends" in writing organization names, for example, ŠK is Športový klub, TJ is Telovýchovná jednota, now most clubs write HC or HK so that would change the clubs name around.

    I only assume ZŤS is a company, Strojárne is a company so thats their sponsorship in the clubs name, like how today they are known as MHC (no club what it stands for) Mountfield.

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    Starkovs, I think, you're right, but only partially. The term "sponsorship" is not useful for old teams. Does soviet MVD "sponsored" Dinamo Riga at that times? I think - not. It owned this team. Sponsors' names include into names of modern Czech/Slovak teams. Old times names include common part (i.e. TJ = Sport /or Athletic/ Club or VTJ = Army Sport Club) and own name. Hutnik (=builder) seems like own name, ZŤS - owner company name. Minimally, it can be an explanation. But for Topoľčany it doesn't work - Slovan - own name, VTJ and TJ are not equal abbreviations. OSCR likes company abbreviation... I don't understand...

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    - 1932 established in Topolčany club AC Juventus Topoľčany (AC = athletic club),
    - 1935 in Topoľčany founded second club ŠK Topoľčany (ŠK - Športvý klub = Sport Club),
    - 1939 two club merged under the name TS Topoľčany (Telovýchovný spolok = Sport association),
    - 1945 TJ Sokol NV Topoľčany (TJ - Telovýchovná jednota = Sport unity, Sokol is name sport unity in Czechoslovakia est. 1862, Sokol = Falcon, NV = Národný výbor - in Czechoslovakia communist era = town office),
    - 1953 TJ Spartak Kablo Topoľčany (Spartak = Spartans, Kablo = company name),
    - 1964 again TS Topoľčany,
    - 1984 TJ Slovan OSCR Topoľčany (Slovan = cca Slav, Slavia, name sport clubs in Slovakia or Czech rep., OSCR - company name),
    - 1990 HC Topoľčany

    - 1988 in Topoľčany played "B" team (farm) Dukla Trenčín under name HC VTJ Topoľčany (HC = Hockey Club, VTJ - Vojenska telovýchovná jednota = Army sport club),
    - 1989 est. indenpendently army club (not farm Dukla Trenčín) HC Jimos VTJ Topolčany (Jimos = company name, sponsor)

    - 1993 merger army club VTJ Topolčany with civilian club HC Topolčany under name HC VTJ Topolčany
    - 2006 HC Topoľčany

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    marijo19, thank you very much! Very complete and professional answer!

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