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    Austria Foreign players at the old Austrian championships

    I met a number of difficulties in definition of the foreign (North-American, first of all) players acting at the Austrian championships at the 70th. For example, Austrian newspaper "Arbeiter Zeitung" listed foreign players at the 1971-72 season (some players I defined):
    KAC: Don Ross (USA), Bob Tuff (Canada)
    ATSE Graz: Jaroslav Walter, Josef Barta (both - CSSR)
    Kitzbuhel: Carl Wetzel (I'm not sure), Len Lilyholm (both - USA)
    Feldkirch: James Wilcox, ? Watson (both - Canada)
    WEVg: ? McKnight, ? Hill (both - Canada)
    Zell am See: ? Werner (Canada), ? Gaffney (USA)
    WAT Stadlau: Yuri Morozov, Valeri Nikitin (USSR)
    IEV: Richard Haney (I'm not sure), ? Parrot (both - USA)
    Can somebody help in definition?
    By the way, there's information of acting of czech Stanislav Sventek at Feldkirch this season. But, he is overlimited player!

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    Feldkirch- Barry Watson
    WEV-Terry McKnight and George Hill
    Zell-Edward Werner and Norman Gaffney
    IEV-John Haney and Kent Parrot

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    JEFF M., thank you very much! But can you specify some details on these persons:
    1. I found only one Edward Werner at the hockeydb.com - http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=34668 Is he the same person? Last one played too earlier...
    2. I can't find John Haney at hockeydb. Can you write any details on this person - goalie or player, at lest...

    And continuation of my question:
    1. Austrian newspapers listed Brian Dickie and John Brawn (typo?) as foreign players at Salzburg (Oberliga) 1971-72. The first person is clear. But the second one - not...
    2. One season earlier at the Kitzbuhel played Strodahl. Wrote - "auslander", without nation. Know somebody - who is this person? At the same season at WEVg-Bali played canadians Wright and Haines. I assumed John Haines and I have no assumptions on Wright. At the same season at Zell playes Budchard (maybe typo?) - simply "auslander" also. Can somebody define this person? And at GAK played unknown Lamont - no assumptions also.

    I'll be grateful for any info!

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    I have an Austrian Book called Eishockey Buch from 1986.

    It lists Edward Werner as playing for EKZ in 16 games and scoring 7 goals.
    John Haney played 56 games for ECI.I am pretty sure he is same person that played fro Colgate University 1967-70 and Herning in Denmark from 76-78 and was also Great Britain Goalie at 1977 World Championship and was pool C All Star.

    Larry Stordahl played for Kitzbuhel in 1970/71 and scored 44 goals in 28 games.He is an American.

    There was a David Butchard from Canada that played 40 games and scored 49 goals for EKZ but I can't verify what years he played.

    Arthur John Haines 27 games and 19 goals.Jerry Wright 28 games and 31 goals.

    Rabbit if you have newspaper clipping with the 70/71 names with list of foreigners I would like to have copy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JEFF M View Post
    I have an Austrian Book called Eishockey Buch from 1986.
    Yes, I know this book, but I have no it, unfortunately.

    Quote Originally Posted by JEFF M View Post
    It lists Edward Werner as playing for EKZ in 16 games and scoring 7 goals.
    John Haney played 56 games for ECI.I am pretty sure he is same person that played fro Colgate University 1967-70 and Herning in Denmark from 76-78 and was also Great Britain Goalie at 1977 World Championship and was pool C All Star.

    Larry Stordahl played for Kitzbuhel in 1970/71 and scored 44 goals in 28 games.He is an American.

    There was a David Butchard from Canada that played 40 games and scored 49 goals for EKZ but I can't verify what years he played.

    Arthur John Haines 27 games and 19 goals.Jerry Wright 28 games and 31 goals.
    Thank you very much for quoting!

    Quote Originally Posted by JEFF M View Post
    Rabbit if you have newspaper clipping with the 70/71 names with list of foreigners I would like to have copy.
    I have such list for 1971-72 season. For 1970-71 season I have list of top scorers after first round, where Strodal listed and pointed as foreign player! If you need this newspaper, I can send copy to you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbit View Post
    Yes, I know this book, but I have no it, unfortunately.


    Thank you very much for quoting!


    I have such list for 1971-72 season. For 1970-71 season I have list of top scorers after first round, where Strodal listed and pointed as foreign player! If you need this newspaper, I can send copy to you!
    Yes I would really appreciate it.I will pm you my email.

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    Continuing this subject:

    1972-73
    KAC: Jude Boulianne (Canada), Viktor Tsyplakov (USSR). Also – Yuri Glukhov (USSR) – Head coach
    ATSE: Esko Kaonpää (Finland), Anatoli Kozlov (USSR)
    WEV: Krulicki, Stroud (both – Canada) – I don’t know firstnames and have no any information
    Innsbruck: Patrick Draper, Edgar Hebert (both - Canada)
    WAT: Yuri Morozov, Valeri Nikitin (both – USSR)
    Salzburg: Ron Roberts, Jack Brewer (both – Canada)
    VEU: James Wilcox (Canada), Milan Kvasnica (CSSR)
    Kitzbühel: Steve Blundy, Jean-Paul Rouilard (both – Canada) - no any information

    1973-74
    KAC: Vladimir Vasilyev, Viktor Tsyplakov (both - USSR)
    Innsbruck: Patrick Draper, Edgar Hebert (both - Canada)
    ATSE: Anatoli Kozlov, Aleksandr Volkov (both - USSR)
    WEV: Bill Buba, Bob Haplenny (both – Canada)
    VEU: Pekka Kuusisto, Tommi Salmelainen (both – Finland)
    Salzburg: Ron Roberts, Jean-Pierre Mallette (both – Canada)
    KSV: Dmitri Kitayev, Viktor Yaroslavtsev (both – USSR). Also it was mentioned Miroslav Berek (Not played? Had Austrian citizenship?)
    WAT: Taylor, Ross (Canada) – I don’t know firstnames. I know only Ross was a goalkeeper
    At the same season for Jacobs-WAT Favoriten (3rd level) played Werner Anwander (94 goals at 16 games), mentioned as German. Further he played for Austrian national team. Changed citizenship?

    1974-75
    ATSE: Anatoli Kozlov (USSR). Name of second foreigner is unknown.
    Innsbruck: John Brenneman (Canada) . Name of second foreigner is unknown.
    KAC: Vladimir Vasilyev, Igor Dmitriyev (both - USSR). Also Yuri Baulin (USSR) as head-coach
    WEV: Robert Roselle, Doug Acomb (both – Canada)
    KSV: unknown
    VEU: Tommi Salmelainen, Matti Murto (both – Finland)
    WAT: Raimo Suoniemi (Finland) . Name of second foreigner is unknown.
    Salzburg: Darrel Knibbs, Bill Knibbs (both – Canada)
    At Villach (2nd level) played Leslie – maybe also foreigner.

    1975-76
    KAC: Igor Dmitriyev (USSR), Hannu Luojola (Finland). Also Yuri Baulin (USSR) as head-coach
    Innsbruck: unknown
    ATSE: Anatoli Kozlov, Viktor Kungurtsev (both - USSR)
    Salzburg: Bill Klatt, Len Lilyholm (both – USA)
    VEU: Ed Hays, Gibson (both – Canada). I don’t know name of Gibson. Maybe he was from USA.
    KSV: Dmitri Kitayev, Viktor Yaroslavtsev (both – USSR).
    WAT: Valentin Kozin (USSR) . Name of second foreigner is unknown.
    WEV: Morris (Canada or USA) . Name of second foreigner is unknown.

    Some persons we defined together JEFF M, some persons stay undefined

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    1972/73
    James Krulicki 28-15-5-20
    Murray Stroud 28-30-11-41
    1973/74
    Miroslav Berek-Book has no other Nationalities so I figure Austrian.
    Terrence Ross-28
    Edmund Taylor 28-18-5-23
    Werner Answander was Austrian as far as book goes.
    1975/76
    Douglas Gibson 20-27-12-39

    Only Morris in book is Earl Morris and it says he played for Salzburg 28-8-1-9

    #'s are Games-Goals-Assists-Points.These are career totals so I will assume most of the foreigners only played the one year.

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    Jeff, thank you!
    I'll make the same list fo some next seasons at 2-3 days!

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    On Morris - I will look for newspapers again! My doubts on Berek are caused by his origin - Ostrava, Czech

    Let's continue...

    1976-77
    KAC: Igor Dmitriyev (USSR), Barry Salovaara (Canada). Also Yuri Baulin (USSR) as head-coach
    ATSE: Bill Klatt, Gerald Troolen (both – USA), James Boyd (Canada). Troolen marked only at the beginning of season and maybe was replaced by Boyd
    Innsbruck: Jim Webster, Richard Moore (both - Canada)
    WEV: Steve Stirling, Ron Anderson (both – Canada)
    KSV: Wally Olds (USA), Viktor Yaroslawtsev (USSR)
    VEU: Wayne Schaab, Ed Hays (both – Canada)
    Salzburg: Åke Sandström (Finland), Ronald Roberts (Canada)

    1977-78
    KAC: Seppo Ahokainen (Finland), Barry Salovaara (Canada)
    ATSE: Bill Klatt (USA), James Boyd (Canada)
    Salzburg: Rick Cunningham (as Canadian at that time), Roger Lamoureux (Canada)
    Innsbruck: Danny Gloor, Ian McKegney (both – Canada)
    VEU: Michel Archambault (Canada), Larry Israelson (Canada), Andrzej Tkacz (Poland), Ron Serafini (USA)
    Serafini present at eliteprospects but absent at Austrian newspapers. Israelson’s name figured at the beginning of season, Archambault’s name – at the finishing. Maybe replaced? Tkacz’s name figured at the beginning, the Wikipedia writes that this season he played for HC Hoheeneus. Maybe moved to play at Germany mid-season?
    KSV: Aleksand Martynyuk, Valentin Gureyev (both – USSR)
    WEV: Davis Given, Steve Stirling, Ron Anderson (all- Canada). Anderson present at eliteprospects but absent at Austrian newspapers
    VSV: D’Arcy Ryan, Peter Harasym (both – Canada)

    1978-79
    KSV: Aleksand Martynyuk, Valentin Gureyev (both – USSR)
    Innsbruck: Poul Popiel (USA), Greg Holst (as Canadian at that time)
    KAC: Gary Ross (USA), Seppo Ahokainen (Finland)
    WEV: Roger Lamoureux, Rick Clubbe (both – Canada). Cunningham changed citizenship till this season.
    VSV: Mike Hobin, Bart Crashley (both – Canada)
    ATSE: Josef Černý (ČSSR), Bill Klatt (USA), Brian McCutcheon (Canada). McCutcheon present at eliteprospects but was overlimited player. I don’t deal with him.
    VEU: Mitch Babin (Canada), Ron Serafini (USA), Larry Israelson (Canada). Israelson presents at elteprospects but absent at Austrian newspapers.
    Salzburg: Bob De Piero (as Canadian at that time), Robin Sadler (as Canadian at that time)

    1979-80
    WEV: Bill Gilligan (USA), Mike Hyndman (Canada)
    KAC: Seppo Ahokainen, Pertti Koivulahti (both - Finland)
    Salzburg: Keijo Kivelä (Finland), Robin Sadler (as Canadian at that time)
    KSV: Aleksand Martynyuk, Valentin Gureyev (both – USSR)
    VSV: Mike Hobin, Bart Crashley (both – Canada)
    VEU: I’m not sure but purpose that was Richard Grenier and Kelvin Greenbank as Canadians
    Salzburg: Paul O’Neil (USA), Ray Maluta (Canada), John Stornik (Canada). Maybe one of three had dual citizenship
    ATSE: Walenty Ziętara (Poland), Joseph Noris (USA), Brian McCutcheon (Canada). I’m strongly not sure on Brian McCutcheon, presenting only at eliteprospects again! Augustin Bubnik (ČSSR) was a head-coach.

    Situation with stranger players at eliteprospect I can explain only by confused records:
    Anderson played 1976-77 and didn't played 1977-78
    Israelson played 1977-78 and didn't played 1978-79
    Serafini played 1978-79 and didn't played 1977-78
    Situation with McCutcheon I cannot explain.

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    1976/77
    Troolen 19-3-8-11
    I think Boyd only played 77/78
    Ron Anderson 26-28-8-36
    1977/78
    D'arcy Ryan 25 goals
    Peter Harasym 20 goals
    Given 27-14-12-26
    Boyd 37-31-37-68
    Gloor 33-23-25-48
    McKegney 33-13-19-32
    Archambault 19-18-9-27
    Israelson 6-3-2-5
    78/79
    Popiel 34-6-28-34
    Ross 34-17-11-28
    Hobin 47 goals
    Crashley 9 goals
    Cerny 32-12-21-33
    Babin 29-28-23-51
    Serafini 22-10-12-22
    De Piero 34-18-19-37

    Brian McCutcheon is not even listed in my book.

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    Jeff, I check newspapers again for Boyd and agree - he is absent. Information on 1976-77 is also from eliteprospects!

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    Additional information: foreign players at Nationalliga (2nd tier) 1978-79

    Lustenau: Kądziołka, Wojciech (?) Kaczorek (both - Poland)
    Zell am See: Jan Mrugała, Kloczek (both - Poland)
    Krems: Józef Słowakiewicz, Łukasz (?) Rusinowicz (both - Poland)
    Leoben: Nixon, Anderson (both - Canada)
    WAT Stadlau and Zeltweg - without foreigners
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    Question around theme of topic... Were was played Kapfenberger SV at 1984-85? I have a team roster of this season (pre-season?) but the team is absent at tournament table. At the 2nd tier league also. At the 1985-86 team played at Nationalliga (2nd tier). Does somebody know the reasons of this year absence and where played persons from pre-season roster - Kostylev, Anderle, Szybisti, Dossi etc...

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    Kapfenberg hat to Play 1984/85 in the regional amateur league (3dt tier) because of bankruptcy.
    But the not only managed to win their regional group, they also won the tounament of the regional winners (played on their home ice)
    So they qualified for the 2ned tier in 1985/86

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    golo, thank you very much!!! But, if it possible, some questions else: Do you know when KSV was bankrupted? Did they begin Bundesliga championship or no? And what was name of league KSV played - Regionalliga Ost or West?

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    I serched Austrian newspapers. And found that message of KSV bankruptcy was published 1984, sept, 22 - two days before championship started...

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    No the Kapfenberger SV did't began the championship.

    For regional leagues (3rd tier) were played in that year:

    Final Tournament in Kapfenberg

    1.Kapfenberg (East) 6 promoted to "Nationalliga" (2ned tier)
    2.Dornbirn (West) 4
    3.ESC Steindorf (South) 1
    4.Lodron Salzburg (Center) 1

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