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    Day 1; Game 2

    Estonia - Korea 3:7 (1:2, 1:3, 1:2)
    0:1 - 04.10 Sangwook Kim (W.Kim, K.Kim) PP1
    0:2 - 17.20 Michael Owen Swift (Cho, D.K.Lee)
    1:2 - 18.22 Andrei Makrov
    1:3 - 25.01 Michael William Testwuide
    2:3 - 32.15 Kevin Parras
    2:4 - 38.31 Young Jun Lee
    2:5 - 39.54 Wooje Sung (Testwuide) SH1
    3:5 - 42.27 Vassili Titarenko (Embrich, Makrov) PP1
    3:6 - 47.21 Michael Owen Swift(2) (H.Y.Shin, W.Park)
    3:7 - 57.54 Michael William Testwuide(2) (W.Park) SH1 EN
    PIM: 3x2+1x5x20 - 3x2 SOG: 25-48 Att: 750
    Goalkeepers: Villem-Henrik Koitmaa 40/46 - Kye Hoon Park 22/25
    Ref: Jeff Ingram (CAN) Linesmen: Louis Beelen (NED), Pasi Nieminen (FIN)
    EST: Koitmaa Villem-Henrik; Kerna Silver, Lahesalu Lauri +C, Rooba Robert +A, Embrich Riho, Makrov Andrei, Urušev Ilja, Auksi Michael Mahkwa, Sibirtsev Aleksei, Andrejev Roman +A, Parras Kevin, Anohhin Maksim, Levkovitš Anton, Titarenko Vassili, Kuznetsov Aleksandr, Jastrebov Anton, Švarőgin Filipp, Vőrang Mihkel, Fedoruk Artur, Sorokin Jaanus, Karik Kaspar
    KOR: Park Kye Hoon; Kim Wonjun, Kim Yoonhwan, Kim Kisung, Kim Sangwook, Radunske Brock, Oh Hyonho, Kim Hyeok, Cho Minho +A, Shin Sanghoon, Testwuide Michael William, Lee Don Ku, Kim Hyunsoo, Swift Michael Owen, Park Woosang +C, Shin Hyung Yun, Choi Siyoung, Sung Wooje, Lee Young Jun, Lee Yong Jun +A, Ahn Jin Hui

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    Maybe Dutch hackers can put video stream for people across the world =)

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    Day 1; Game 3

    Netherlands - Lithuania 0:1 (0:1, 0:0, 0:0)
    0:1 - 00.11 Arnoldas Bosas (Gintautas, Bogdziul)
    PIM: 10x2 - 5x2 SOG: 35-26 Att: 1500
    Goalkeepers: Ian Meierdres 25/26 - Mantas Armalis 35/35
    Ref: Jacob Grumsen (DEN) Linesmen: Frederic Monnaie (BEL), David Parduv (SCG)
    NED: Meierdres Ian; Vogelaar Giovanni, van Oorschot Jordy +A, van den Heuvel Ivy +A, Mason Steven, hagemeijer Diederick +C, van de Velden Dax, Tummers Erik, Bruijsten Kevin, Nagtzaam Nardo, Bruijsten Mitch, van Iersel Jeffrey, van Gestel Boet, Wurm Ronald, van Biezen Peter, Demelinne Tony, de Jong Nick, Houkes Levi, van Lijden Julian, Brekelmans Maarten
    LTU: Armalis Mantas; Kieras Mindaugas +C, Ališauskas Nerijus, Bosas Arnoldas, Gintautas Paulius, Bogdziul Daniel, Jasinevičius Jaunius, Aliukonis Rolandas +A, Bauba Egidijus +A, Pliskauskas Darius, Kumeliauskas Donatas, Vėželis Justinas, Visockas Arturas, Bendžius Aivaras, Židkovas Andrejus, Kulevičius Dovydas, Kubilius Karolis, Nomanovas Danielius, Čižas Ugnius, Rybakov Edgar, Baltrukonis Mauras

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starkovs View Post
    Netherlands - Lithuania 0:1 (0:1, 0:0, 0:0)
    0:1 - 00.11 Arnoldas Bosas (Gintautas, Bogdziul)
    PIM: 10x2 - 5x2 SOG: 35-26 Att: 1500
    Goalkeepers: Ian Meierdres 25/26 - Mantas Armalis 35/35
    Ref: Jacob Grumsen (DEN) Linesmen: Frederic Monnaie (BEL), David Parduv (SCG)
    NED: Meierdres Ian; Vogelaar Giovanni, van Oorschot Jordy +A, van den Heuvel Ivy +A, Mason Steven, hagemeijer Diederick +C, van de Velden Dax, Tummers Erik, Bruijsten Kevin, Nagtzaam Nardo, Bruijsten Mitch, van Iersel Jeffrey, van Gestel Boet, Wurm Ronald, van Biezen Peter, Demelinne Tony, de Jong Nick, Houkes Levi, van Lijden Julian, Brekelmans Maarten
    LTU: Armalis Mantas; Kieras Mindaugas +C, Ališauskas Nerijus, Bosas Arnoldas, Gintautas Paulius, Bogdziul Daniel, Jasinevičius Jaunius, Aliukonis Rolandas +A, Bauba Egidijus +A, Pliskauskas Darius, Kumeliauskas Donatas, Vėželis Justinas, Visockas Arturas, Bendžius Aivaras, Židkovas Andrejus, Kulevičius Dovydas, Kubilius Karolis, Nomanovas Danielius, Čižas Ugnius, Rybakov Edgar, Baltrukonis Mauras
    Must have been quite boring 59 minutes and 49 secoonds...

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    Lithuania with the first big surprise of the tournament I think.
    GBR-CRO really could have gone either way, and almost did.
    Korea dominated a game they needed to win, though allowing 3 goals against isn't what they were hoping for. Though in fairness the Makrov line is a pretty potent one for Estonia.

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    Day 2; Game 4

    Estonia - Great Britain 1:2 (0:1, 1:0, 0:1)
    0:1 - 15.36 David Phillips (Weaver, Cowley)
    1:1 - 33.19 Robert Rooba (Makrov)
    1:2 - 54.10 Robert Farmer (Weaver, D.Phillips)
    PIM: 1x2 - 3x2 SOG: 30-32 Att: 500
    Goalkeepers: Roman Šumihhin 30/32 - Ben Bowns 29/30
    Ref: Anssi Salonen (FIN) Linesmen: Louis Beelen (NED), David Parduv (SRB)
    EST: Šumihhin Roman; Kerna Silver, Lahesalu Lauri +C, Rooba Robert +A, Embirch Riho, Makrov Andrei, Urušev Ilja, Auksi Michael Mahkwa, Sibirtsev Aleksei, Andrejev Roman +A, Parras Kevin, Anohhin Maksim, Švarőgin Filipp, Titarenko Vassili, Kuznetsov Aleksandr, Jastrebov Anton, Levkovitš Anton, Vőrang Mihkel, Fedoruk Artur, Sorokin Jaanus, Karik Kaspar
    GBR: Bowns Ben; Richardson Mark +A, Cowley Russell, Haywood Matthew, Phillips Jonathan +C, Batch Joshua, Phillips David, Weaver Jonathan, Lachowicz Robert, Myers Matthew, Dowd Robert +A, Thomas Mark, O'Connor Ben, Blight Chris, Boxill Jonathan, Prince Jack, Swindlehurst Paul, Peacock Craig, Farmer Robert, Garside Mark, Shields Colin

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    Common Eestimaa you can do better than that !
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Petrochemist View Post
    Common Eestimaa you can do better than that !
    Big expectations? Havent thought they have played poorly yet, played a promotion favourite and a candidate. The question is how do they play against the Dutch who they probably should of beaten two years ago and how do they fair against Lithuania who....well Im sure you remember what happened and the story of bad behaviour late in the tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starkovs View Post
    Big expectations? Havent thought they have played poorly yet, played a promotion favourite and a candidate. The question is how do they play against the Dutch who they probably should of beaten two years ago and how do they fair against Lithuania who....well Im sure you remember what happened and the story of bad behaviour late in the tournament.
    Oh I'm well aware of all the troubles surrounding that team actually and I don't have too high expectations... Maybe "You should do better than that" would be more appropriate...

    I could be wrong, but I do believe this country could do so much better at ice-hockey if they decided to.. someday...
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    Day 2; Game 5

    Croatia - Lithuania 4:1 (0:1, 2:0, 2:0)
    0:1 - 17.42 Ugnius Čižas (Nomanovas)
    1:1 - 30.56 Nathan Perkovich (Letang)
    2:1 - 33.34 Andy Sertich (Waugh, Dekanich) PP2
    3:1 - 46.26 Ryan Kinasewich (Sertich, Murray) PP1
    4:1 - 59.26 Andrew Murray (Perkovich, Waugh) EN
    PIM: 5x2+1x10 - 8x2 SOG: 35-31 Att: 350
    Goalkeepers: Mark Dekanich 30/31 - Mantas Armalis 31/34
    Ref: Jeff Ingram (CAN) Linesmen: Frederic Monnaie (BEL), Ulrich Pardatscher (ITA)
    CRO: Dekanich Mark; Waugh Geoff, Letang Alan +A, Blagus Mislav, Kostovic Dario +C, Perkovich Nathan, Sertich Andy, Martinovic Sasa, Kinasewich Ryan, Glumac Michael, Murray Andrew, Silovic Borna, MacAulay Kenny +A, Jankovic Ivan, Kanaet Dominik, Milicic Matija, Ljubic Marko, Kegalj Bruno, Brencun Ivan, Miric Tadija
    LTU: Armalis Mantas; Kieras Minaugas +C, Ališauskas Nerijus, Bosas Arnoldas, Gintautas Paulius, Bogdziul Daniel, Jasinevičius Jaunius, Aliukonis Rolandas +A, Bauba Egidijus +A, Pliskauskas Darius, Kumeliauskas Donatas, Vėželis Justinas, Visockas Arturas, Bendžius Aivaras, Židkovas Andrejus, Kulevičius Dovydas, Kubilius Karolis, Nomanovas Danielius, Čižas Ugnius, Rybakov Edgar, Baltrukonis Mauras

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    For a team with 9 Canadian imports, the performance of Croatia wasnt impressive at all. Lithuania showed great effort in my eyes and with some luck they could have beaten Croatia. But admittedly the powerplay of the Cronucks was too strong.

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    One interesting post from one croatian member at croatian hockey forum....he said that (he heard it) Korea must win this division otherwise they will need to play qualifications for Olympics ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snapshot View Post
    One interesting post from one croatian member at croatian hockey forum....he said that (he heard it) Korea must win this division otherwise they will need to play qualifications for Olympics ??
    Don't the hosts get the automatic inclusion though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conesy View Post
    Don't the hosts get the automatic inclusion though?
    I think there was something in the rules that the team would have to be ranked at least in a certain spot in the World Rankings in order to get the automatic spot.

    However, the IIHF has confirmed that Korea are in both for men's and women's tourney with the automatic spot way back in September, so it seems a moot point:

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    The Dutch get quite a beating, South Korea leading 7-1 with 9 minutes to go.
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    Day 2; Game 6

    Korea - Netherlands 7:1 (2:0, 3:1, 2:0)
    1:0 - 04.03 Sanghoon Shin (Testweuide)
    2:0 - 15.30 Minho Cho (Testwuide, S.Shin)
    3:0 - 22.13 Don Ku Lee (Swift) PP1
    4:0 - 31.01 Michael Owen Swift (Cho) PP1
    5:0 - 34.30 Michael Owen Swift(2) (H.Y.Shin)
    5:1 - 39.34 Kevin Bruijsten PP1
    6:1 - 48.32 Don Ku Lee(2) (S.Kim, K.Kim)
    7:1 - 51.17 Minho Cho(2) (Oh)
    PIM: 5x2+1x10 - 6x2 SOG: 37-18 Att: 920
    Goalkeepers: Sungje Park 17/18 - Ian Meierdres 18/23 (Martijn Oosterwijk 12/14)
    Ref: Shane Warschaw (USA) Linesmen: Marek Hlavaty (CZE), Pasi Nieminen (FIN)
    KOR: Park Sungje; Kim Wonjun, Kim Yoonhwan, Kim Kisung, Kim Sangwook, Radunske Brock, Oh Hyonho, Kim Hyeok, Cho Minho +A, Shin Sanghoon, Testwuide Michael William, Lee Don Ku, Kim Hyunsoo, Swift Michael Owen, Park Woosang +C, Shin Hyung Yun, Choi Siyoung, Sung Wooje, Lee Young Jun, Lee Yong Jin Lee +A
    NED: Meierdres Ian (20.00 Oosterwijk Martijn); van de Velden Dax, Tummers Erik, Houkes Levi, van Lijden Julian, Brekelmans Maarten, Vogelaar Giovanni, van Oorschot Jordy +A, van den Heuvel Ivy +A, Mason Steve, Hagemeijer Diederick +C, van Iersel Jeffrey, van Gestel Boet, Wurm Ronald, van Biezen Peter, Demelinne Tony, de Jong Nick, Bruijsten Kevin, Nagtzaam Nardo, Bruijsten Mitch

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    So far I think it's Korea who will get promoted. Croatia has strength and skill but somehow it just doesn't click in with those guys. Maybe this amount of Cronucks is just too much for the team spirit.

    Estonia has been quite good and in the meantime The Netherlands has been very weak. Their black forward, almost Wayne Simmonds of the Netherlands but not quite, Julian van Lijden, is 194 cm tall, he looks strong but is the worst skater I've seen at this level. His balance is incredibly bad and he plays maybe 15 s shifts and gets called off before he makes any (more) mistakes.

    I've taken a bunch of photos to my website, I hope you enjoy them. There are few quite nice shots http://gamewornjerseys.weebly.com/gr...n-croatia.html
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    ....still waiting for a homegrown Croat to get a point, after two games played (1W, 1OTL)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    ....still waiting for a homegrown Croat to get a point, after two games played (1W, 1OTL)
    And I'm still waiting for someone who doesn't mention something related about imports when talking about Croatia in this WC, it's getting boring and lame and this comes from a person who doesn't approve this kind of NT. Mind you, best available player for Croatia, homegrown Borna Rendulić is missing from the roster due to injury.
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    The fact is that this season's Croatian team carries the wind of dangerous and largely unwanted changes in the international hockey. The only way how things can get changed in the democracy is to openly protest and point at the wrongs of some policy. As far as I am concerned, what Croatian federation, on behalf of Medveščak, did was wrong and directly hurts Croatian hockey as such.

    Next thing we'll see is Qattar playing in division IB given that it is not problem for this country to build one international sized rink and bring 88 players for 50000 euros per season each in order to fill up four local teams required for domestic competition. In two years, voila, Qattar is going to have a team capable of taking out any country bellow division IA.

    They bought themselves a silver medal in handball for crying out loud!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pršljen View Post
    And I'm still waiting for someone who doesn't mention something related about imports when talking about Croatia in this WC, it's getting boring and lame and this comes from a person who doesn't approve this kind of NT. Mind you, best available player for Croatia, homegrown Borna Rendulić is missing from the roster due to injury.
    I agree, every year same old story, like Croatia is first nation who ever used naturalized players...and those twitts, how IIHF hockey is dead because of 10 non-croat-develop players is petty. By that account int. hockey should be dead long time given how many canadians Italy, France, Germany and Austria used in the past.

    And for all those who are so hysterical about imports in our team I think we reached peak when it comes to it and numbers will decline within following years. Look at players age, Letang 40, Glumac 35, Murray 34, Kostovic 35, Martinovic, Sertich, Waugh, Macaulay all past 30.

    Rendulić is injured, but he wouldn't come anyway as his AHL season (regular) is still underway.

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    Good thing is young players like Jankovic, Milicic and Silovic played very well. Line composed of Kanaet-Jankovic-Milicic was no less dangeours yesterday than Perkovich's line despite scored goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
    The fact is that this season's Croatian team carries the wind of dangerous and largely unwanted changes in the international hockey. The only way how things can get changed in the democracy is to openly protest and point at the wrongs of some policy. As far as I am concerned, what Croatian federation, on behalf of Medveščak, did was wrong and directly hurts Croatian hockey as such.
    And I agree with you but mentioning it in every post on this forum won't change anything. Yes, noone out of Croatia likes it (even the big part of Croatian hockey communituy) but mentioning it in every post is getting ridiculous, as fare as I'm concerned.

    Croatia isn't the first nor the last NT that's doing it and I don't see them as carriers of the wind of changes in international hockey. Imports in NT are a common thing for ages and there were drastical examples just like current Croatian team is.

    No team sport is immune on this; football, basketball, handball and especially waterpolo...Crying out loud won't change anything and that's a fact, sooner you, me and anyone deal with it the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
    Next thing we'll see is Qattar playing in division IB given that it is not problem for this country to build one international sized rink and bring 88 players for 50000 euros per season each in order to fill up four local teams required for domestic competition. In two years, voila, Qattar is going to have a team capable of taking out any country bellow division IA.
    Actually, they only need 25 players and a club to enter an already existing professional league - though the government, if supportive, would need to foot the bill for every league members' travel to Doha.

    I don't take exception to a few naturalised players if the team's core is still national-bred talent. If a team's core is all imported talent, that's more of an issue. I'd back a dual-nat limit of 4-5 players, regardless of nation.

    About the age of the imports, why doesn't the federation put emphasis on youth development? (I know from our Croatian members that Medvescak has a lot of say in the federation and some clubs have very poor youth turnout.) If players need to be natualised for the club team, OK, but they don't have to be selected to wear the national colors...
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    The more notable thing about the Croatian team is how unspectacular they have looked. Considering they do have several imports with NHL and other top-league experience, they should be doing a lot better than they are, not losing to a team like Great Britain and playing so poorly against Lithuania. I realise the imports are on the older side and were not the best in their respective leagues, but they are definitely better than a lot of the other players at this tournament, only they are not showing that to be true.

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    What NHL experience does the Croatian team have, aside from Dekanich having played 1 game for the Predators?

    Insofar as the whole naturalized players/birth country eligibility issues, I see both sides of them - to a degree.

    For a start, if a player is born in a country and has always held that country's passport, and has never played for another country in IIHF competition, then he should be able to represent his birth country in IIHF competition regardless of whether he ever played hockey there or not.

    The IIHF statute states that international hockey competition is supposed to reflect not only the hockey "played in" that country by its citizens, but also the hockey "played BY" citizens of that country - meaning not necessarily there within its borders.

    As far as naturalized players go, I have no problem with countries naturalizing players from their respective diasporas - Dekanich playing for Croatia is a perfect example. He's of Croatian heritage, and he has played for a Croatian pro club for two seasons. For me, that's a non-issue. I also have no problem with former Soviet countries using Russians who are citizens of their respective country, as Russians were historically part of the population of every Soviet Socialist Republic.

    Taking a guy with no Croatian heritage, sticking him on Medvescak for two years (regardless of whether they play in the KHL, EBEL, or just simply the Croatian federation's domestic competition), giving him a passport, and sticking him on Team Croatia is what I and many other people have a problem with. Same thing for Kevin Dallman with Barys and Kazakhstan.

    I'd be OK with guys like the non-Croatian heritage "Cronucks", Dallman, etc. IF the rules were changed so that no more than 6 of them could be on any one national team, and they would need to have acquired citizenship and have played in the country thy want to represent for at least four consecutive years. And I'd be OK with situations like Medvescak in EBEL or the KHL fulfilling this requirement. Two years is too easy and convenient. Four consecutive years shows dedication and commitment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    What NHL experience does the Croatian team have, aside from Dekanich having played 1 game for the Predators?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    What NHL experience does the Croatian team have, aside from Dekanich having played 1 game for the Predators?

    Insofar as the whole naturalized players/birth country eligibility issues, I see both sides of them - to a degree.

    For a start, if a player is born in a country and has always held that country's passport, and has never played for another country in IIHF competition, then he should be able to represent his birth country in IIHF competition regardless of whether he ever played hockey there or not.

    The IIHF statute states that international hockey competition is supposed to reflect not only the hockey "played in" that country by its citizens, but also the hockey "played BY" citizens of that country - meaning not necessarily there within its borders.

    As far as naturalized players go, I have no problem with countries naturalizing players from their respective diasporas - Dekanich playing for Croatia is a perfect example. He's of Croatian heritage, and he has played for a Croatian pro club for two seasons. For me, that's a non-issue. I also have no problem with former Soviet countries using Russians who are citizens of their respective country, as Russians were historically part of the population of every Soviet Socialist Republic.

    Taking a guy with no Croatian heritage, sticking him on Medvescak for two years (regardless of whether they play in the KHL, EBEL, or just simply the Croatian federation's domestic competition), giving him a passport, and sticking him on Team Croatia is what I and many other people have a problem with. Same thing for Kevin Dallman with Barys and Kazakhstan.

    I'd be OK with guys like the non-Croatian heritage "Cronucks", Dallman, etc. IF the rules were changed so that no more than 6 of them could be on any one national team, and they would need to have acquired citizenship and have played in the country thy want to represent for at least four consecutive years. And I'd be OK with situations like Medvescak in EBEL or the KHL fulfilling this requirement. Two years is too easy and convenient. Four consecutive years shows dedication and commitment.
    I agree, almost no one here has anything against Dekanich, Parkovich, Sertich, Kostović (he was born in Split, CRO) or Martinović. MacAulay has a Croatian mother and Glumac is of mixed Serbian-Croatian descent.

    Letang is a specific story, he was the captain of Medveščak for four years and his son is playing in Croatian youth team. Murray is similar to him, current Medveščak captain respected by all.

    The trouble with Croatian sport is that we first need to make some incredible result in order to invest in a sport and if a team of English speaking players of mosty Croatian descent combined with best home-grown players is what is needed for us to have a completely home-grown strong NT in the future, then I welcome it. To add, I would never completely throw out all our foreign grown players as there are almost as much people of Croatian descent living outside Croatia as they are those living in Croatia. Out turbulent past made sure of that. I can only hope that Draženović will play for us alongside Rendulić for Croatia, the best of home-grown players (if we propery invested in hockey, so that cases like Rendulić are a rule and not an exception) with the best that our diaspora has to offer, without any complete strangers would almost surely make for a strong team.

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    Also, don't forget we lost Zanoški, a players that was born here, lived here until he was 10 or 11 and even started his career in a domestic team. Slovakia took Rosandić from us, Bezina is playing for Switzerland...there are a lot of examples where croatian-born players are playing for other countries...I call this balance :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by vjeko1701 View Post
    I agree, almost no one here has anything against Dekanich, Parkovich, Sertich, Kostović (he was born in Split, CRO) or Martinović. MacAulay has a Croatian mother and Glumac is of mixed Serbian-Croatian descent.

    Letang is a specific story, he was the captain of Medveščak for four years and his son is playing in Croatian youth team. Murray is similar to him, current Medveščak captain respected by all.

    The trouble with Croatian sport is that we first need to make some incredible result in order to invest in a sport and if a team of English speaking players of mosty Croatian descent combined with best home-grown players is what is needed for us to have a completely home-grown strong NT in the future, then I welcome it. To add, I would never completely throw out all our foreign grown players as there are almost as much people of Croatian descent living outside Croatia as they are those living in Croatia. Out turbulent past made sure of that. I can only hope that Draženović will play for us alongside Rendulić for Croatia, the best of home-grown players (if we propery invested in hockey, so that cases like Rendulić are a rule and not an exception) with the best that our diaspora has to offer, without any complete strangers would almost surely make for a strong team.
    What result Croatia should make in order to improve our hockey ? If we reach D1A you really think we gonna get new ice rinks ? Medvescak is was for 6th season in a row most attended club in Croatia, made some good results in EBEL and first KHL season, where is new rink in Zagreb ? Nowhere...

    Imports may led us to higher division and thanks to them few home-growners will get a chance to play against Hungary, Italy, Kazahstan and whoever gets relegated from Elite but it won't improve our hockey.

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    Due to Medvescak, out younger players can play a serious U20 competition, with EBEL-U24 whispers, we might get good development leauges for our domestc players. Situation in Croatia is poor, even our best football clubs are steuggling to get sponsors, the example of Rijeka building a new stadium is an exception and not a rule. The country has to decide too build better infrastructue, and they are more likely to do it for our NT and not a single club. Also, we have multi-purpose halls in Rijeka, Split, Varazdin and Zagreb, the success of our NT could hel KHL Varazdin get morw money for it's youth school and perhap get them a permanent ice rink in their arena. If I'm not mistaken, they have respectable history in that club. This is just wishful thinking, but it's better to have some changes than none. Who knows, maybe one of the naturalized Croats decides to stay here as a coach in our schools, maybe Joe Sakic decides to invest in his favorite aport in the country of his parents, maybe some rich guy buya Medvescak and invests in it's infrastructure. You never know, but it's always best to be heard and talked about and not, and if it werent for the last 6 years a lot less international and domestic journalists would be talking about both Croatia and Medvescak and our hockey would most likely be much weaker given the financial status or Croatia.cA lot of young players would play a lot less games and I'm sure that they would be poorer players.

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    If our national team was at this level years ago we would probably have Bezina, Zanoski, brother Martinović in the NT years ago, also we might not have lost Rosandić to Slovakia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vjeko1701 View Post
    If our national team was at this level years ago we would probably have Bezina, Zanoski, brother Martinović in the NT years ago, also we might not have lost Rosandić to Slovakia.
    Strenght of national team has nothing to do with players you mentioned. You say "years ago"....poosandic is born in 1995. so "years ago".... he still pee in the pants. Bezina was Swiss junior back in 1998. and he is not playing for us because simply nobody knew he even exists back then.

    Zanoski became senior when IIHF rules were already "hardcoded" and you strictly need to play in country for two years.

    Martinovic (if you thought of Sasa) counted on German NT, he was one of the last cuts in 2004. or 2005. prior to WC.

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    Day 3; Game 7

    Lithuania - Estonia 6:1 (2:0, 0:1, 4:0)
    1:0 - 04.58 Aivaras Bendžius
    2:0 - 19.02 Darius Pliskauskas (Ališauskas) PP1
    2:1 - 25.16 Aleksei Sibirtsev (Andrejev, Titarenko)
    3:1 - 43.30 Aivaras Bendžius(2)
    4:1 - 49.26 Mindaugas Kieras (Bosas, Ališauskas) PP1
    5:1 - 53.29 Danielius Nomanovas (Bogdziul) EN
    6:1 - 56.48 Darius Pliskauskas(2)
    PIM: 4x2 - 3x2 SOG: 30-26 Att: 300
    Goalkeepers: Mantas Armalis 25/26 - Roman Šumihhin 24/29
    Ref: Shane Warschaw (USA) Linesmen: Pasi Nieminen (FIN), Sotaro Yamaguchi (JPN)
    LTU: Armalis Mantas; Kieras Mindaugas +C, Ališauskas Nerijus, Bosas Arnoldas, Gintautas Paulius, Bogdziul Daniel, Vėželis Justinas, Visockas Arturas, Bauba Egidijus +A, Pliskauskas Darius, Kumeliauskas Donatas, Jasinevičius Jaunius, Aliukonis Rolandas +A, Bendžius Aivaras, Židkovas Andrejus, Kulevičius Dovydas, Kubilius Karolis, Nomanovas Danielius, Čižas Ugnius, Rybakov Edgar, Baltrukonis Mauras
    EST: Šumihhin Roman; Švarőgin Filipp, Lahesalu Lauri +C, Rooba Robert +A, Embrich Riho, Makrov Andrei, Urušev Ilja, Auksi Michael Mahkwa, Fedoruk Artur, Titarenko Vassili, Andrejev Roman +A, Kerna Silver, Levkovitš Anton, Sibirtsev Aleksei, Kuznetsov Aleksandr, Jastrebov Anton, Anohhin Maksim, Vőrang Mihkel, Sorokin Jaanus, Karik Kaspar, Parras Kevin

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    Day 3; Game 8

    Korea - Great Britain 2:3 (1:0, 1:2, 0:1)
    1:0 - 19.38 Woosang Park (D.K.Lee, W.Kim)
    2:0 - 20.35 Kisung Kim (S.Kim, Radunske)
    2:1 - 20.51 Robert Farmer
    2:2 - 33.35 Ben O'Connor (Weaver) PP2
    2:3 - 46.39 Ben O'Connor(2) PS
    PIM: 7x2 - 6x2 SOG: 30-30 Att: 700
    Goalkeepers: Sungje Park 27/30 - Ben Bowns 28/30
    Ref: Jacob Grumsen (DEN) Linesmen: Louis Beelen (NED), Marek Hlavaty (CZE)
    KOR: Park Sungje; Kim Wonjun, Kim Yoonhwan, Kim Kisung, Kim Sangwook, Radunske Brock, Oh Hyonho, Kim Hyeok, Cho Minho +A, Shin Sanghoon, Testwuide Michael William, Choi Siyoung, Lee Don Ku, Swift Michael Owen, Park Woosang +C, Shin Hyung Yun, Kim Hyunsoo, Sung Wooje, Lee Young Jun, Lee Yong Jun +A, Ahn Jin Hui
    GBR: Bowns Ben; Richardson Mark +A, Cowley Russell, Haywood Jonathan +C, Batch Joshua, Phillips David, Weaver Jonathan, Farmer Robert, Boxill Jonathan, Thomas Mark, O'Connor Ben, Lachowicz Robert, Garside Mark, Dowd Robert +A, Swindlehurst Paul, Peacock Craig, Blight Chris, Shields Colin, Prince Jack

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    Wow! Well done Great Britain!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Well I guess all questions are answered! Good job GB!

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    Ben O'Connor's game winning penalty shot was one of the best things I have ever seen in a hockey game. Arguably the biggest game in past couple of years for GB and its tied 2-2 with 13 minutes or so to go. Penalty shot is called and then there is a 5-10 minute delay due to problems with the ice. Delays in this situation are normally very tough for the shooter but in this case, O'Connor was skating around centre ice for the whole delay with a massive smile on his face in what had been an incredibly intense game.

    He then pulled of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSFSYRShUTY

    I was speechless

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    Takes a lot of courage to do such a thing in such a situation. Wouldn't have looked so good if he failed. ;)

    Another loss for Croatia, they are really underperfoming.

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    This tournament is kind of ruining everyone's predictions. I don't think anyone expected Britain to be doing so well, or for Croatia to be doing so poorly. Wide open for promotion, though it seems Lithuania can control everyone's destiny with games against Korea and Britain coming up. Interesting to see what happens.

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    Croatian game against Netherlands was tragicomedy with "cronucks" of all kinds as main actors. Except Perkovich who showed heart and desire, others were brutally bad. Best example was when our unit with three KHL-ers couldn't enter Ned zone properly. I was pissed enough that I destroyed my TV remote by smashing it into the wall. Only positive today were croatian domestic players, young ones, one can hope MacLean will reward them with some PP time in the next two games. Dekanich could also get rest next game, he didn't play for long spell of the season and had knee surgery. Not that he played bad, but from goalie who not long time ago had 93% save percentage in the KHL to steal a game or two at this level is not too much to ask.

    What I did not expect when I saw list of forwards for this team is that Rendulic and Michael Novak will be missed so so much.

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    Day 3; Game 9

    Croatia - Netherlands 2:5 (2:2, 0:1, 0:2)
    1:0 - 00.12 Nathan Perkovich
    1:1 - 12.28 Tony Demelinne (K.Bruijsten)
    1:2 - 15.06 Kevin Bruijsten (Wurm, Tummers) PP1
    2:2 - 19.22 Andrew Murray (Kinasewich, Letang)
    2:3 - 39.36 Ronald Wurm (Hagemeijer, van den Heuvel)
    2:4 - 42.24 Maarten Brekelmans (de Jong, van Lijden)
    2:5 - 59.58 Diederick Hagemeijer EN
    PIM: 4x2+1x10 - 4x2 SOG: 24-28 Att: 1350
    Goalkeepers: Mark Dekanich 23/27 - Martijn Oosterwijk 21/23
    Ref: Anssi Salonen (FIN) Linesmen: Ulrich Pardatscher (ITA), David Parduv (SRB)
    CRO: Dekanich Mark; Waugh Geoff, Letang Alan +C, Kinasewich Ryan, Glumac Michael, Murray Andrew, Sertich Andy, Ljubic Marko, Martinovic Sasa, Blagus Mislav, Perkovich Nathan, jacmenjak Igor +A, MacAulay Kenny +A, Jankovic Ivan, Kanaet Dominik, Milicic Matija, Silovic Borna, Kegalj Bruno, Brencun Ivan, Miric Tadija
    NED: Oosterwijk Martijn; Vogelaar Giovanni, van Oorschot Jordy +A, van den Heuvel Ivy +A, Mason Steven, Hagemeijer Diederick +C, van de Velden Dax, Tummers Erik, Bruijsten Kevin, Bruijsten Mitch, Demelinne Tony, van Iersel Jeffrey, van Gestel Boet, Stempher Danny, Wurm Ronald, van Biezen Peter, de Jong Nick, Houkes Levi, van Lijden Julian, Brekelmans Maarten

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    Here is HD video of that incredible Ben O'Connor game-winning penalty shot goal vs. South Korea. One for the ages!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UkZJ5JdQOsg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Here is HD video of that incredible Ben O'Connor game-winning penalty shot goal vs. South Korea. One for the ages!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UkZJ5JdQOsg
    That was a great penalty shot. As jonas stated, it takes confidence and courage to pull that off, and I guess that is what makes a player good at penalty shots.
    Cum bibam cervisiam gaudeo.

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    Interesting statements of the Dutch coach after the match vs. Croatia:

    "They are all great individual players, you can see that, but they are not really operating as a team," Houkes revealed.
    The Netherlands Coach Eimers also realized that was the key to defeat Croatia. "The talent is obviously there but if you play them physical and hard you know they are not a team that gives 100% every shift. We took full advantage of that today," said the head coach who was full of praise of his team and urged the fans to come to the rink and get behind the team.

    To the Croatian hockey community: do you think in the same way and whats the reason for not giving 100% every shift? Maybe there is bad chemistry within the team? It was really obviously while watching the match yesterday that the Netherlands were fighting much harder...for me its quite surprising cause normally Croatian squads (no matter what kind of sports) play with a lot of passion while playing for there country...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murach86 View Post

    To the Croatian hockey community: do you think in the same way and whats the reason for not giving 100% every shift? Maybe there is bad chemistry within the team? It was really obviously while watching the match yesterday that the Netherlands were fighting much harder...for me its quite surprising cause normally Croatian squads (no matter what kind of sports) play with a lot of passion while playing for there country...
    There is no particular reason, it is more likely mix of it. No chemistry is one of the main reasons for sure. Then bad plays from some of the top players which results from bad atitude "we are khl-ers and it is enough for us only to show on the ice and everybody will dress off their pants". Dekanich also could have stopped some of the shots past him. On top of that collective lack of desire from "cronucks", minus Perkovich, and you have situation where team that have D1A quality on paper is stucked in bottom half of D1B.

    Just for the comparison. Last season there were 15 home-grown players and with exception of Rendulić and Kanaet all of them played just croatian championship (Medveščak didn't play EBEL U20 in 13/14). Goalscorers were :

    Against GBR : Novak Michael 2x, Kostović, Letang
    Against NED : Mirić, Novak Michael, Blagus, Brenčun
    Against ROM : Rendulić, MacAulay, Mirić, Jačmenjak (GWS)
    Against POL : Kanaet
    Against LTU : Waugh, Mirić, Rendulić

    So nine out of 16 goals were scored by home-grown players. Not just that, last season all "cronucks" that played showed much more passion and unlike this season there were no journeymans on the team.

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    Players of Medvescak who play as naturalized simply have not been paid for this extra effort, this is my opinion. When they play in KHL they need to justify money invested in them, but in this case they don't have motive,.. and you play for a team that "you do not feel" like a part of your heart.. it's like some kind of duty to Gojanovic and good contracts... something else is when you play Croatian league at beginning, and when you play 30 games with all those guys during the 2-3 seasons, then you learn why it is so important to play 120% for your country.

    They are looks like passengers, or like tourists who came on the Adriatic Sea.. but this level of competition 1B is very good, and you need to be 100% ready for this.. I don't see that any team is weak, even Estonia play good hockey!

    Edit: Last WC Michael Novak was the best player in Croatian team, better than Rendulic!!!
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