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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajna View Post
    I didn't single him out for the blame, obviously we would have lost even if he played average or well, but that doesn't change the fact that he was clearly the weakest link today (and yesterday as well). He couldn't keep up with Vorontsov and that resulted in the 2nd goal, his stupid penalty caused the 3rd (these two sealed the deal), and there were numerous other mistakes on his part. Plus/minus is not really relevant when your team is destroyed by the other team's power play; the fact that Kiss is only a -1 means that he wasn't on ice for the 5th and most irrelevant goal.

    And you're right, the forwards generally weren't able to keep the puck or get it into the Kazakh zone (sometimes even on the PP), which made it impossible to have a chance to win. Maybe Sarauer and some others had a worse game than Kiss when we take into account their general level of play, but it was clear today that Kiss is a liability.
    Maybe you could analyze all the other situations as well where we conceived a goal and find the player to blame as well. Do it please. Also analyze please all the mistakes that lead to penalties, with names of players. And also please find all the mistakes what lead us to shot only 12 times on goals during 60 minutes. All of them are connected to a player.

    A player can easily lose in a skating race for example, especially when he has to turn back first.

    Before the 5th goal we have lost a static battle at the boards behind the net which lead to a situation where the kazakh player had an open space to the front of the net. Doesn't it disturb you? Shall we blame Szirįnyi and Hįri for that?

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    Yesterday I've watched part of Ukraina - Italia game, and full game Japan - Poland, and both were very interesting.. level of playing, even over TV, is extremely good.. Japan kill with skating, I still don't beleive how they lost game, but must to say goalie of Poland and all players included in defence played fantastic!!!.. Ukraina also far from weak team, Italian squed played very smart, holding discipline during 60', and won in OT.. still don't watched Hungary and Kazakhstan but my favorite for promotion are those teams!
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    Italy's Diego Kostner will miss tomorrow's game against Hungary because of an upper body injury.

    His status though is not as bad as feared right after the incident, since nothing is broken. He may even be back already on Friday against Japan.

    http://www.ticinonews.ch/sport/23532...o-del-previsto

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    Day 3; Game 7

    Kazakhstan - Japan 7:2 (3:0, 0:0, 4:2)
    1:0 - 02.38 Kevin Dallman (Rudenko, Starchenko)
    2:0 - 06.48 Fyodor Polishuk (Semyonov, Dallman) PP1
    3:0 - 19.03 Roman Starchenko
    3:1 - 41.16 Shuhei Kuji (G.Tanaka, Nishiwaki)
    4:1 - 42.35 Roman Starchenko(2) (Panshin, Tryasunov)
    5:1 - 45.06 Konstantin Rudenko (Starchenko, Polishuk)
    6:1 - 48.09 Yevgeni Rymarev (Krasnoslobodtsev)
    7:1 - 52.52 Fyodor Polishuk(2) (Rudenko)
    7:2 - 53.51 Go Tanaka (Kuji, Nishiwaki)
    PIM: 3x2 - 3x2 SOG: 29-24 Att: 2479
    Goalkeepers: Pavel Poluektov 22/24 - Yutaka Fukufuji 7/10 (Yuto Ito 15/19)
    Refs: Viki Trilar (SLO), Marc Wiegand (SUI) Linesmen: Rene Jensen (DEN), Wojciech Moszczynski (POL)
    KAZ: Poluektov Pavel; Dallman Kevin, Semyonov Maxim, Polishuk Fyodor, Starchenko Roman +A, Rudenko Konstantin +C, Savchenko Roman, Litvinenko Alexei, Zhailauov Talgat +A, Pushkaryov Konstantin, Spiridonov Andrei, Lakiza Artemi, Metalnikov Leonid, Savenkov Konstatnin, Rymarev Yevgeni, Krasnoslobodtsev Vadim, Tryasunov Vyacheslav, Lipin Alexander, Vorontsov Alexei, Khudyakov Maxim, Panshin Mikhail
    JPN: Fukufuji Yutaka (40.00 Ito Yuto); Kumagai Goshi, Hashiba Ryo, Takahashi Seiji, Sato Sho, Osawa Yuto, Ushu Mei, Yanadori Shinya, Nishiwaki Masahito +A, Tanaka Go +C, Kuji Shuhei +A, Minoshima Keigo, Yamada Kotaro, Tanaka Ryo, Hirano Yushiroh, Yamashita Takuro, Takagi Kenta, Mitamura Kohei, Obara Daisuke, Ueno Hiroki

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    Total domination as it seems by Kazakhstan. Abysmal svs% for both Japanese goalies but I strongly suspect they didn't have much chance and the Kazakhs simply outplayed them until they had open nets to score...

    Hungary vs. Italy coming up next. That's the big game of the tournament I think. Winner of this one will most likely take 2nd place.

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    2:0 Hungary after 40... Italy did not manage to score on a 2 on 0 situation!!!!

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    Got to like the Hungarian fans. They haven't stopped chanting and singing the entire game, really makes it that much better to watch.

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    Hungary beats Italy 4-1. The game was decided in the first period, when Hungary had the upper hand, getting a 2-0 advantage. This doesn't reflect the fact that Italy had virtually no chances, while the Hungarians could enter the opponent's zone whenever they wanted to.

    The 2nd period was different, Italy played much better and game was evenly matched. Italy had more chances, especially when they had a 2 on 0 while being shorthanded. However, neither team could score. The 3rd period was again one where Hungary was clearly better, and a goal by Sofron pretty much sealed the deal. Italy quickly got one back after a nice pass by Ihnacak but were unable to generate any more great chances. An empty-netter made it 4-1.

    For most of the game, Italy played surprisingly badly. They made some defensive mistakes that are really uncharacteristic of them, and their speed was not as good as expected. However, it was hard shots that killed their chances, as Banham's and Magosi's blasts in the 1st were the ones that made a difference.

    Now, Hungary is the frontrunner for promotion. The winner of the Poland-Ukraine game can be a spoiler, or even Italy if they beat Kazakhstan (by then, the Kazakhs will have won the tournament).

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    Well, congrats to Hungary!

    Italy looked nervous in the first period and deservedly so was down 0:2. Shocking were two mistakes by veteran d-man Egger, who usually is known as Mr. Perfect.
    In the second Italy was a little bit better, but if you can't score on a 2 on 0...
    In the 3rd the azzurri tried, but scoring efficiency is not really Italy's strength and Hungary was smart. Still, 12 shots on net are simply not enough to win a game.

    Anyway, this young Italian team was not predicted to promote and I think the experience a lot of this young players are making at this WC will be very useful for years to come.

    Of course there still a chance to promote, but if Hungary does not choke against an underdog (as they did 2 years ago when they lost against South Korea and gave the 2nd place to Kazakhstan), it will be Hungary and Kazakhstan to earn promotion.

    I find it funny how a lot of Italian fans, who were always calling for a rebuild the last few years, are now pissed off that we lost to Hungary as if Hungary was some Division 3 team. Ramoser, Morini, Trivellato, Bernard etc. make hope for a better future and at least I did not have to see Edwardson, Johnson etc. this year.
    With 10 'Italos' we may have had a bigger chance to return to the Top Division, but as proven in the last 6 years, it would not have been enough to stay there anyway.

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    Poland beats Ukraine 3:2, the hosts seem pretty much safe now. Hungary is now in the perfect position to secure promotion. Good for the organizers for the next IHWC, the Hungarians will come in numbers.

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    Hungary still have to beat Poland and Ukraine ...

    ....two countries that have beaten the Hungarians recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiraly View Post
    Hungary still have to beat Poland and Ukraine ...

    ....two countries that have beaten the Hungarians recently.
    I am not sure of the Hungarian squad when Ukraine beat them, but when Poland played Hungary and beat them at the EIHC, the Hungarian squad was a very different one from the one at these WC. This squad has the naturalized Canadians and some players from very good European leagues who did not participate in the EIHC.
    Poland's realistic goal has been met, and that is to stay in Div. 1A. The question is how will Poland come into the game Sat. vs. Hungary after most likely losing to Kazkakhstan tomorrow.
    Since Poland has met it's min. goal at these WC's they can now play relaxed and spread their wings if you can say that.

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    The "relatively recent" Ukraine game I was referring to was the last World Championship where the Hungarians were badly outshot in a 3 to 0 loss. The 2 to 0 loss against Poland had two Canucks and a Slovak trained player suit up for Hungary.

    My point is that the three countries are pretty competitive against each other and Hungary losing to either one of them would be disappointing, but would definitely not be shocking.

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    Day 3; Game 8

    Italy - Hungary 1:4 (0:2, 0:0, 1:2)
    0:1 - 10.52 Daniel Koger (Banham, Sarauer) PP1
    0:2 - 17.52 Balint Magosi (Nagy)
    0:3 - 43.01 Istvan Sofron (Vas, Koger)
    1:3 - 45.16 Alexander Egger (Ihnacak, Zanatta)
    1:4 - 59.16 Marton Vas EN
    PIM: 5x2 - 4x2 SOG: 11-21 Att: 3125
    Goalkeepers: Andreas Bernard 17/20 - Miklos Rajna 10/11
    Refs: Andris Ansons (LAT), Marcus Linde (SWE) Linesmen: Andrew Dalton (GBR), Tibor Rovensky (SVK)
    ITA: Bernard Andreas; Hofer Armin, Helfer Armin +A, Gander Markus, Bernard Anton +C, Ramoser Joachim, Sullivan Daniel, Marchetti Stefano, Insam Marco, Ihnacak Brian, di Casmirro Nathan, Zanatta Michael Angelo, Egger Alexander, Frigo Luca, Morini Giovanni, Kostner Diego +A, Trivellato Alex, Zanatta Luca, Felicetti Luca, Andergassen Raphael, Frei Alex
    HUN: Rajna Miklos; Metcalfe Tyler, Sziranyi Bence, Sarauer Andrew, Koger Daniel, Sofron Istvan, Orban Attila, Pozsgai Tamas, Sebok Balazs, Banham Frank, Hari Janos, Goz Balazs, Vas Marton +C, Kovacs Csaba +A, Erdely Csanad, Vas Janos +A, Kiss Daniel, Benk Andras, Nagy Krisztian, Vincze Peter, Magosi Balin

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    Day 3; Game 9

    Poland - Ukraine 3:2 (0:0, 1:0, 2:2)
    1:0 - 33.13 Adam Baginski (Pasiut) SH1
    2:0 - 40.34 Mateusz Rompkowski (Bryk, Kolusz) PP2
    2:1 - 41.46 Vladyslav Gavryk (Zakharchenko)
    2:2 - 44.52 Vitali Lyalka
    3:2 - 53.44 Mateusz Rompkowski(2) (Zapala, Kolusz) PP1
    PIM: 4x2 - 6x2 SOG: 24-19 Att: 5975
    Goalkeepers: Przemyslaw Odrobny 17/19 - Eduard Zakharchenko 21/24
    Refs: Rene Hradil (CZE), Daniel Konc (SVK) Linesmen: Dmitry Golyak (BLR), Alexander Waldejer (NOR)
    POL: Odrobny Przemyslaw; Bryk Mateusz, Rompkowski Mateusz, Zapala Krzysztof, Malasinski Tomasz, Kolusz Marcin +C, Pociecha Bartlomeij, Dutka Rafal, Chmielewski Aron, Kowalowka Sebastian, Pasiut Grzegorz, Wajda Patryk, Kotlorz Michal, Laszkiewicz Leszek +A, Dziubinski Krystian, Galant Radoslaw, Kruczel Maciej, Wanacki Jakub, Baginski Adam +A, Urbanowicz Maciej, Kalinowski Kamil
    UKR: Zakharchenko Eduard; Navarenko Yuri +C, Ryabenko Kostyantyn, Mikhnov Andri +A, Gnidenko Artem, Blagy Roman, Aleksyuk Volodymyr, Pobyedonostsev Olexander +A, Nimenko Dmytro, Varlamov Sergi, Donika Vitali, Ladygin Mykola, Kugut Igor, Zakharov Viktor, Lyalka Vitali, Bondaryev Artem, Skrypets Danylo, Gavryk Vladyslav, Zabludovsky Denys, Petrangovsky Yuri, Kuzmik Sergi

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    The Polish victory sets up the Poland-Hungary game on Sunday as a game for promotion (unless Italy beats Japan and Kazakhstan, of course). Tomorrow doesn't really matter in the battle for promotion (obviously, if Hungary wins and Poland loses or vice versa, then the winner only needs an OTL on Sunday).

    As others have already noted, it's not finished yet. Poland beat Hungary in EIHC tournaments, and although some of the players were missing from Hungary, some others (for example, Dudas, Martine and Csįnyi, who await naturalisation) were playing who are not here now, so it's not difficult to imagine Poland winning.

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    When Poland was last time in elite group or group A?

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    Last time was 2002 in Sweden.
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    Hungary played excellent "fore checking", and just 2steps need for Elite.. so, if Elite will be "made" mission with Banham and Sarauer is complited 100%.. Kazakstan is level above others, Japan was nowhere.. Ukraina was good 5-5 but PP was disaster, Poland was lucky team yesterday.
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    and next year Banham will play against Canada!

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    The Italians just went from 2-1 to 2-3 against Japan in one minute (less then three before end of regulation).

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    And that's it, we're finally having a new member of Elite division. Japan made a big step towards staying in this division although they are far from being save, Ukraine showed big potential and is more than capable of beating Japan and maybe even upseting Hungary. Kazakhstan has a strongest team in years, they would be a big threat even in Elite division where their place is.
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    embarassing.. young team or not, but this was Japan... Good first period by Italy, followed by a terrible 2nd one. In the 3rd Italy found the lead with Ramoser, but once on the counter attack and then a terrible mistake by Sullivan made it 3:2 Japan.

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    These past 2 games seem to be nothing but defensive mistakes and no offensive mind for italy. I hope this team can improve without dropping another division in the years to come.

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    Japan isn't that bad. I think that except from of course Kazakhstan and the Hungarians who stand out somehow from the rest a little bit (Ukraine maybe falls back a little) this group is pretty even. Poland, Italy, Ukraine and Japan have so far played very close games against each other. I'm not at all surprised that the newly formed Italian team falls prey to the Japanese...given they were without a point so far it was time for them to really get to their best if they want to stay in IA.

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    Day 4; Game 10

    Japan - Italy 3:2 (0:1, 1:0, 2:1)
    0:1 - 19.34 Luca Frigo (Gander, Ant.Barnard)
    1:1 - 38.48 Mei Ushu (Takahashi, Yanadori)
    1:2 - 47.24 Joachim Ramoser (Ihnacak, Marchetti)
    2:2 - 55.56 Shinya Yanadori (G.Tanaka, Ushu)
    3:2 - 57.06 Yushiroh Hirano
    PIM: 0x2 - 2x2 SOG: 26-26 Att: 2572
    Goalkeepers: Yutaka Fukufuji 24/26 - Andreas Bernard 23/26
    Refs: Rene Hradil (CZE), Daniel Konc (SVK) Linesmen: Matjaz Hribar (SLO), Alexander Waldejer (NOR)
    JPN: Fukufuji Yutaka; Ushu Mei, Yanadori Shinya, Nishiwaki Masahito +A, Tanaka Go +C, Kuji Shuhei +A, Minoshima Keigo, Yamada Kotaro, Mitamura Kohei, Obara Daisuke, Ueno Hiroki, Kumagai Goshi, Hashiba Ryo, Tanaka Ryo, Hirano Yushiroh, Yamashita Takuro, Takahashi Seiji, Takagi Kenta, Osawa Yuto
    ITA: Bernard Andreas; Hofer Amin, Helfer Armin +A, Insam Marco +A, Ihnacak Brian, Ramoser Joachim, Sullivan Daniel, Marchetti Stefano, Gander Markus, Frigo Luca Bernard Anton +C, Zanatta Michael Angelo, Egger Alexander, di Casmirro Nathan, Morini Giovanni, Frei Alex, Trivellato Alex, Zanatta Luca, Felicetti Luca, Andergassen Raphael

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    If it works like it usually does in Italy, it will be like this:

    Some of the big guys in the federation, thanks to their enormous knowledge of the game of hockey, will talk about how unacceptable this perfomance was, because the meaning of 'long-term' in Italy means, that if you don't succeed in the first year, it is completely useless anyway.
    Of course we should also blame the national team coaches and players, because how dare them not to play like the Canadian Olympic team in their first experience on the senior national team.

    So we are going to hire some random Canadian coach for next year, who has never stepped a foot in Italy before. We will forget about the project of bringing in young players and so we will call 10 dual-citizens to earn promotion at any cost. Then we are going to play one year each in Division 1 and Top Division for the next 6-7 seasons, until we realize that we better invest in our youth. Then there will be another 'long-term-plan', which is going to last for exactly one season.

    To put it in a nutshell: The perfomance of the Italian team today was embarassing, but it is called a rebuild and a team with 12 U25 players needs to be allowed to make mistakes and learn from them. I fear though, that next season we are going back to the 'Italo'-approach.
    Stefan Mair said it best yesterday in an interview on hockeytime.net after the game against Hungary: "We are victims of the past years when dual-citizens had the key roles. We need to give our guys time to develop."

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    I haven't seen the Japan-Italy game, but I'm not surprised by the result. Based on the the games I've seen from the teams they seemed even,and Japan was due some luck. The teams are as strong as it was expected: Kazakhstan one (or two) level ahead of everyone else, Hungary, Italy and Japan fighting for promotion, Poland being able to upset the trio, and Ukraine being the worst. Ukraine surprised a bit by showing dedication (not something I would usually attribute to them) and disciplined defense, but their level of play is clearly worse than the others here. Maybe Poland can surprise by pulling not one, but two upsets and thus getting promoted, but otherwise everything goes as expected.

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    Well it seems like Sat. HUN-POL for second place and promotion. I have to say I'm not as impressed with Hungary as I thought I was going to be, I thought they'd be a bit more of a sure in for second place. I think it's wide open for second place, but also the race to stay in IA is exciting as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegiaNR1 View Post
    Well it seems like Sat. HUN-POL for second place and promotion. I have to say I'm not as impressed with Hungary as I thought I was going to be, I thought they'd be a bit more of a sure in for second place. I think it's wide open for second place, but also the race to stay in IA is exciting as well.
    What did you expect exactly? Kazakhstan is clearly way better than everyone else, beating Japan and Italy was accomplished in regulation. Maybe the Japan game could have been a bit easier, but I didn't expect any of the first three games to be easy (and frankly, the Italy game almost falls into that category). The fact that 2nd place is not sure yet is not because of some Hungarian mistake, but because Poland beat Japan (and Ukraine).

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    Ukraine on their way to upsetting Hungary, this group is wide open for 2nd place before the last round if that happens and Kazakhstan get their expected win later tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHawks View Post
    Ukraine on their way to upsetting Hungary, this group is wide open for 2nd place before the last round if that happens and Kazakhstan get their expected win later tonight.
    Ukraine cannot promote. The winner of the Poland-Hungary game will surely be ahead of them. This game is almost meaningless to both teams (a victory makes an OTL on Sunday enough for today's winner but that's it).

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    Day 4; Game 11

    Ukraine - Hungary 2:4 (0:0, 2:1, 0:3)
    1:0 - 24.36 Roman Blagy (Mikhnov, Kugut) PP1
    2:0 - 34.19 Artem Gnidenko (Mikhnov, Blagy)
    2:1 - 36.44 Andrew Sarauer (Banham, Goz)
    2:2 - 51.26 Daniel Koger (Sarauer, Hari) PP1
    2:3 - 56.05 Andrew Sarauer(2) (Koger, Sofron)
    2:4 - 57.15 Istvan Sofron (Kiss) SH1
    PIM: 3x2 - 4x2 SOG: 17-32 Att: 3774
    Goalkeepers: Eduard Zakharchenko 28/32 - Miklos Rajna 15/17
    Refs: Marcus Linde (SWE), Viki Trilar (SLO) Linesmen: Rene Jensen (DEN), Wojciech Moszczynski (POL)
    UKR: Zakharchenko Eduard; Kugut Igor, Pobyedonostsev Olexander +A, Mikhnov Andri +A, Gnidenko Artem, Blagy Roman, Navarenko Yuri +C, Alekseyuk Volodymyr, Zakharov Viktor, Lyalka Vitali, Bondaryev Artem, Ladygin Mykola, Skrypets Danylo, Nimenko Dmytro, Gavryk Vladyslav, Kuzmik Sergi, Ryabenko Kostyantyn, Zabludovsky Denys, Donika Vitali, Petrangovsky Yuri
    HUN: Rajna Miklos; Metcalfe Tyler, Sziranyi Bence, Sarauer Andrew, Koger Daniel, Sofron Istvan, Goz Balazs, Vas Marton +C, Sebok Balazs, Banham Frank, Hari Janos, Orban Attila, Pozsgai Tamas, Kovacs Csaba +A, Erdely Csanad, Vas Janos +A, Kiss Daniel, Benk Andras, Nagy Krisztian, Vincze Peter, Magosi Balint

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilHell37 View Post
    To put it in a nutshell: The perfomance of the Italian team today was embarassing, but it is called a rebuild and a team with 12 U25 players needs to be allowed to make mistakes and learn from them. I fear though, that next season we are going back to the 'Italo'-approach.
    Stefan Mair said it best yesterday in an interview on hockeytime.net after the game against Hungary: "We are victims of the past years when dual-citizens had the key roles. We need to give our guys time to develop."
    Couldn't agree more with Mair as so many national teams found out through the 80's and 90's.

    This is a Japanese team missing defenseman Kazumasa Sasaki with a broken jaw. Their average age is 26 with speed to burn and three players plying their trade abroad including 19-year old Yushiroh Hirano. Japan has 9 players born in the 90's and what would they have seen as young boys? An Olympic tournament in their backyard (ok, maybe not so much for Keigo Minoshima - he'd have been all of one year old at that time!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajna View Post
    What did you expect exactly? Kazakhstan is clearly way better than everyone else, beating Japan and Italy was accomplished in regulation. Maybe the Japan game could have been a bit easier, but I didn't expect any of the first three games to be easy (and frankly, the Italy game almost falls into that category). The fact that 2nd place is not sure yet is not because of some Hungarian mistake, but because Poland beat Japan (and Ukraine).
    I don't think it was a surprise Poland beat Ukraine, most picked Ukraine to finish last even before the tournament started. The fact Poland beat Japan perhaps that was a surprise, but I think everyone thought Japan would be stronger in this tournament anyway. I think the HUN-POL game Saturday is going to be very very close.

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    Darn, I can't decide for which of our neighbours I should cheer in this clash.

    EDIT: Watched the las few minutes of 1st between Poland and Kazakhstan and the Poles are holding their own, are the better team even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaaa View Post
    Darn, I can't decide for which of our neighbours I should cheer in this clash.

    EDIT: Watched the las few minutes of 1st between Poland and Kazakhstan and the Poles are holding their own, are the better team even.
    Anyway, that will be an attendance record in the second tier of the world champs for sure. Around 3000 Hungarian fans are already in Krakow and further hundreds (including me) will travel there for the saturday match. And polish fans have also got the mood to watch icehockey, it seems that the arena will be sold out with more than 15 thousand spectators.

    Good that finally Krakow got the right to host the event, I'm sure this match will be a must to see even if the level of icehockey will not be on the level of Canada or Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajna View Post
    Ukraine cannot promote. The winner of the Poland-Hungary game will surely be ahead of them. This game is almost meaningless to both teams (a victory makes an OTL on Sunday enough for today's winner but that's it).
    Yeah you're right of course. Well let's hope for a Polish win then ;-)

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    Really surprised at how well Poland has done against Kazakhstan. Been the closest game for the Kazakhs this tournament, and this from the team that was just promoted. Starting to think Poland really has a chance against Hungary on Saturday; at the very least it will be a great game, just a shame I won't be able to watch it.

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    Day 4; Game 12

    Kazakhstan - Poland 3:2 (0:0, 2:1, 1:1)
    1:0 - 29.34 Roman Savchenko (Dallman, Krasnoslobodtsev) PP1
    1:1 - 35.33 Bartlomiej Pochiecha (Kowalowka, Chmielewski) PP2
    2:1 - 36.56 Roman Starchenko (Rudenko)
    2:2 - 48.20 Marcin Kolusz (Bryk, Rompkowski)
    3:2 - 55.26 Roman Starchenko(2) (Savenkov)
    PIM: 3x2 - 5x2 SOG: 27-23 Att: 9067
    Goalkeepers: Pavel Poluektov 21/23 - Rafal Radziszewski 24/27
    Refs: Andris Ansons (LAT), Peter Gebei (HUN) Linesmen: Andrew Dalton (GBR), Tibor Rovensky (SVK)
    KAZ: Poluektov Pavel; Dallman Kevin, Semyonov Maxim, Polishuk Fyodor, Starchenko Roman +A, Rudenko Konstantin +C, Savchenko Roman, Litvinenko Alexei, Zhailauov Talgat +A, Pushkaryov Konstantin, Spiridonov Andrei, Lakiza Artemi, Metalnikov Leonid, Savenkov Konstantin, Rymarev Yevgeni, Krasnoslobodtsev Vadim, Tryasunov Vyacheslav, Lipin Alexander, Vorontsov Alexei, Khudyakov Maxim, Panshin Mikhail
    POL: Radziszewski Rafal; Bryk Mateusz, Rompkowski Mateusz, Zapala Krzysztof, Malasinski Tomasz, Kolusz Marcin +C, Pociecha Bartlomiej, Dutka Rafal, Chmielewski Aron, Kowalowka Sebastian, Pasiut Grzegorz, Wajda Patryk, Kotlorz Michal, Laszkiewicz Leszek +A, Dziubinski Krystian, Galant Radoslaw, Kruczek Macije, Wanacki Jakub, Baginski Adam +A, Urbanowicz Macije, Kalinowski Kamil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajna View Post
    What did you expect exactly? Kazakhstan is clearly way better than everyone else, beating Japan and Italy was accomplished in regulation. Maybe the Japan game could have been a bit easier, but I didn't expect any of the first three games to be easy (and frankly, the Italy game almost falls into that category). The fact that 2nd place is not sure yet is not because of some Hungarian mistake, but because Poland beat Japan (and Ukraine).
    I have to agree with this. Hungary has won the games it needed to thus far. Their "magic number" for promotion is 1. Meaning they only need to get to overtime against Poland, not even win, to promote.

    Meanwhile with today's big win against Italy, Ukraine's "tragic number" is also 1 (anything short of a regulation win against Japan means relegation).

    Should make for an interesting last day.

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    Few years ago I would have cheered for Palkovics and the rest to get themselves back in the Elite group. Nowadays, with Metcalfe, Banham and Saraurer, I would not like for naturalisation movement to get more strength in the country that did so much to improve the development of domestic players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
    Few years ago I would have cheered for Palkovics and the rest to get themselves back in the Elite group. Nowadays, with Metcalfe, Banham and Saraurer, I would not like for naturalisation movement to get more strength in the country that did so much to improve the development of domestic players.
    What about guys like Holeczy, Sille, Ennafatti, Mihaly, Ondrejcik?

    Having 2, 3 naturalized players (more relevant: players that learnt their hockey outside Hungary) on the team is nothing new for team HUN, was just as much the case "few years ago" as it is now I'd say. So why would you cheer for Hungary back then but not now?

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    Hungary is the country who had fantastic progress in all aspects of develompent ice hockey in last 15 years. There is no country in Europe who did similar progress like Hungary in last 15 years. Two or three naturalised players can not distroy sistem who us working perfectly in Hungaruan ice hockey federation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by partizanhk View Post
    Hungary is the country who had fantastic progress in all aspects of develompent ice hockey in last 15 years. There is no country in Europe who did similar progress like Hungary in last 15 years. Two or three naturalised players can not distroy sistem who us working perfectly in Hungaruan ice hockey federation.
    umm, Denmark? Without naturalized players AFAIK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaaa View Post
    umm, Denmark? Without naturalized players AFAIK.
    Well not entirely without naturalized players, we did have one or two Canadian-Danes in the 90s and early 00s. Also I guess Slovenia could be mentioned making the same trip from the C group to the A Pool in about 10 years I think.

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    When I said Hungaria and their development, i didnt mean about their possibilites...

    I looked at whole picture when I talking about Hungarian ice hockey development.
    What was starting position of Hungarian and Denmark before 15 years...
    Hungarian in that time had just 3 ice rink...but it is not just about infrastracture....all organisation of Hungarian ice hockey is now on much higher level then it was before 15 years...It is just maybe subjective point of view, becouse I living close to Hungary and i watching their progress in last 15 years....and there is no county in Europe who had that basic leve of ice hockey before 15 years and fast develompent in last 15 years like Hungary if we count all aspects of ice hockey develompent( not just infrastructure). For infrastructure, Belarus is probably better, but Belarus was in much higher level before 15 years like Denmark. Slovenia is funny to even compare with Hungaria....there is far away from them. Maybe they are playing elite group and maybe they have better players, but their Nation federation and all ice hockey is in shaky stadium of going down in next years...


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    Denmark and Hungary from start position two worlds.. so Hungary made heavier task because they were out of money, out of "open fresh air" during communism era.. Denmark is stable country, no wars near the borders, no worry if you want to build something, or to start with something..

    I would like to see just one man from Denmark to try something to build in Serbia, just one thing close to sport.. and to see results for 10 years, or for 100 years.. One man ready for challange

    Hungay is my favorite tomorrow, it was not easy game but they were successful against Ukraina.. Poland made also great performance with Kazakstan but this time out of good fortune..

    Good vibrations for region if Hungary enter in Elite, I hope.. it is time for that, it's time for gold step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    What about guys like Holeczy, Sille, Ennafatti, Mihaly, Ondrejcik?

    Having 2, 3 naturalized players (more relevant: players that learnt their hockey outside Hungary) on the team is nothing new for team HUN, was just as much the case "few years ago" as it is now I'd say. So why would you cheer for Hungary back then but not now?
    Well, that list is nothing close to Sarauer and Banham. Sille and Mihįly are of Hungarian ethnicity, if they're "naturalised", than so are Sofron, Bartalis, Sikorcin and a lot of other key guys for us.

    Holéczy and Ennaffati are a bit different as well. They both have Hungarian heritage (third generation expats), and there were other good reasons for their naturalisation. Holéczy wasn't better than the average NT player and was really dedicated, he is now a trainer and will probably stay in the country permanently. Ennaffati was a defenseman, a position that we really needed. That doesn't make it okay to naturalise him for me but at least it's a good reason.

    Ondrejcik (and last year, Sevela) was the only one who hasn't got any family ties to Hungary AFAIK, but he was playing in the country for so long and he remained here as a coach so he is dedicated to the hockey program as well. Plus, he only played in the elite Worlds so he didn't help us win a single game, his addition wasn't one that elevated the level of the team by much.

    That being said, I didn't agree with any of those naturalisations other than the ones that came from neighbouring countries and are of Hungarian ethnicity. Most of Team Romania wishes to play for Hungary, that's just the geography and the history of the region. I think that Metcalfe's case is similar to Holéczy's, and is therefore somehow justifiable. Moreover, Metcalfe is not an outstanding player on the team, "he could be a product of the Hungarian system", it simply adds depth.

    On the other hand, Sarauer and Banham have no Hungarian heritage, haven't been playing in the country for long (and probably won't stay for long), play positions where we have good depth (therefore making it more difficult for talented Hungarian forwards to get on the team), and are clearly better than any Hungarian player (Sarauer, that is, and while there are some guys who are better overall players than Banham, he has by far the hardest shot on the team, which is essential for our PP). So I think that their naturalisation is much worse than any previous ones, and hopefully it doesn't start a trend. This is the kind of stuff that could ruin international hockey, the other ones I can live with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajna View Post
    Well, that list is nothing close to Sarauer and Banham. Sille and Mihįly are of Hungarian ethnicity, if they're "naturalised", than so are Sofron, Bartalis, Sikorcin and a lot of other key guys for us.

    Holéczy and Ennaffati are a bit different as well. They both have Hungarian heritage (third generation expats), and there were other good reasons for their naturalisation. Holéczy wasn't better than the average NT player and was really dedicated, he is now a trainer and will probably stay in the country permanently. Ennaffati was a defenseman, a position that we really needed. That doesn't make it okay to naturalise him for me but at least it's a good reason.

    Ondrejcik (and last year, Sevela) was the only one who hasn't got any family ties to Hungary AFAIK, but he was playing in the country for so long and he remained here as a coach so he is dedicated to the hockey program as well. Plus, he only played in the elite Worlds so he didn't help us win a single game, his addition wasn't one that elevated the level of the team by much.

    That being said, I didn't agree with any of those naturalisations other than the ones that came from neighbouring countries and are of Hungarian ethnicity. Most of Team Romania wishes to play for Hungary, that's just the geography and the history of the region. I think that Metcalfe's case is similar to Holéczy's, and is therefore somehow justifiable. Moreover, Metcalfe is not an outstanding player on the team, "he could be a product of the Hungarian system", it simply adds depth.

    On the other hand, Sarauer and Banham have no Hungarian heritage, haven't been playing in the country for long (and probably won't stay for long), play positions where we have good depth (therefore making it more difficult for talented Hungarian forwards to get on the team), and are clearly better than any Hungarian player (Sarauer, that is, and while there are some guys who are better overall players than Banham, he has by far the hardest shot on the team, which is essential for our PP). So I think that their naturalisation is much worse than any previous ones, and hopefully it doesn't start a trend. This is the kind of stuff that could ruin international hockey, the other ones I can live with.
    So you have no problem with the Slovak trained players with Hungarian ties, who in many cases just choose Hungary as a second hand option, because they're not good enough for Slovakia? Sille even played for Slovakia in some kind of friendly tourney, I think and represented Slovakia at the inline worlds and his son played for Slovak junior teams, including at the u18 Worlds. Even Csanyi who (unlike the other players from Slovakia who are from places with very few ethnic Hungarians) actually is from a town with an ethnic Hungarian majority Komarno/Komarom (where you'd find the most sportsmen who'd rather represent Hungary than Slovakia) has represented Slovakia internationally at junior levels, including the u17 World Hockey Challenge.

    I just don't see why Hungary would go for naturalizing the players from Slovakia, seeing as hockey is non-existent or less developed in the predominately Hungarian parts of Slovakia than it is in Hungary itself, at the expense of home grown talent. It might make some sense with a young player like Csanyi (who btw is actually Czech trained, I think) or with someone who has lived in Hungary for a long time (as has been the case with Ondrejcik and Sille), but overally not so much. And just for the record, this has nothing to do with nationalism, I'm just of the opinion that Hungarian hockey doesn't need the leftovers of the Slovak hockey system at the moment.
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