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    SE Asia Games

    Been reported via NToIH that Ice Hockey will be played at the 2017 SE Asia Games , to be held in Malaysia. Attempts to include it in the current games in Singapore failed but it's good that it will happen next time. Hopefully Indonesia and Philippines will join Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand.

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    .... and maybe Vietnam.

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    Philippines might actually stand a chance of winning the event. They beat Macau 10-0 last year in a Hong Kong tournament, and the match was only 2 x 20 minutes. That should give an idea of their level. They've been playing in regional tournaments against club teams for a few years, and this was their first match against another national team.
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    Found this, which also suggests Philippines are making progress

    http://smskatingrink.com/ph-ice-hockey-team/

    Hopefully they'll get IIHF membership soon.

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    Found this as well, featuring another Philippines success ;

    http://www.hkahc.com/new_tournament/...r_schedule.htm

    The names and faces of their team don't seem particularly Asian to me !! Could be some eligibility issues ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffH View Post
    Found this as well, featuring another Philippines success ;

    http://www.hkahc.com/new_tournament/...r_schedule.htm

    The names and faces of their team don't seem particularly Asian to me !! Could be some eligibility issues ahead.

    Geoff
    But the OCA doesn't use IIHF eligibility requirements, so it might pass. We're a year and a half away from the SEA Games as is. Howe er, the Philippines would be hard to judge since it has such a large contingent of non-ethnic Philippinos due to Spanish and American colonialism.
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    OCA doesn't use IIHF eligibility, but I'm pretty sure they're going to require any athletes to be citizens and not foreign expats.
    Don't expect a Philippines national team to look anything like the one in that tournament.

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    Might be a situation like Kyrgyzstan who were much stronger in the AWG than they have been in the CCoA.

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    Geoff: Kyrgyzstan had a team of dual-nat Russians for AWG who would not fulfill IIHF regulations for CCoA, hence the discrepancy.

    The Philippine team you saw there doesn't look like it's even that, just a bunch of expats from wherever.

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    Yes, makes me wonder what eligibility rules the OCA use ( passport only ? ) and why they don't use IIHF rules. Presumably the Olympics use IIHF eligibility rules, don't they ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    Geoff: Kyrgyzstan had a team of dual-nat Russians for AWG who would not fulfill IIHF regulations for CCoA, hence the discrepancy.

    The Philippine team you saw there doesn't look like it's even that, just a bunch of expats from wherever.

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    Olympics do, because it's a IIHF-run tournament.
    Other Games, like the AWG or SEAG, have their own organizers and can use different regulations if they want. Which is why you'll see non-IIHF members take part as well.

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    More on Philippines development from NToIH.

    Seems they've no intention of sticking to IIHF eligibilty criteria.

    http://www.nationalteamsoficehockey....ar-10-29-15-10


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    Last edited by GeoffH; 30-10-2015 at 11:22.

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    They'll never be approved for IIHF competition that way - will have to stick to exhibition and club tournaments.

    As for the guy who runs it - saying the best ice hockey teams in Asia come from 'China, Japan and Hong Kong'????

    Um, OK. 1 out of 3 ain't bad, I guess.

    Perhaps his 'national' team would like to tangle with some Asia League teams out of Korea or Russia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffH View Post
    More on Philippines development from NToIH.

    Seems they've no intention of sticky to IIHF eligibilty criteria.

    http://www.nationalteamsoficehockey....ar-10-29-15-10
    The Finland based IIHF? Is that any relation to the (actual) Swiss one, per chance? I enjoy the contradiction of saying they need to develop youth players and immediately after stating they're looking for foreign players to bring in.
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    Ok... so that article looks to be copied from the Philippine Star, which doesn't excuse the lack of fact-checking on a few of these blatant errors.
    Best teams in Asia are from (respectively): KHL/VHL/AL squads in RUS, KHL/VHL/Kazakh League squads from KAZ, AL teams from JPN and KOR, then you can look at Chinese teams I guess.

    Also, the description of the team that won the Hong Kong tournament has about 2 names that hold a passport and could represent the Philippines in a non-IIHF tournament, along with all the foreigners they could give a passport to. They wouldn't qualify for a IIHF tournament, not even close, and this article just confirms that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    Ok... so that article looks to be copied from the Philippine Star, which doesn't excuse the lack of fact-checking on a few of these blatant errors.
    Best teams in Asia are from (respectively): KHL/VHL/AL squads in RUS, KHL/VHL/Kazakh League squads from KAZ, AL teams from JPN and KOR, then you can look at Chinese teams I guess.

    Also, the description of the team that won the Hong Kong tournament has about 2 names that hold a passport and could represent the Philippines in a non-IIHF tournament, along with all the foreigners they could give a passport to. They wouldn't qualify for a IIHF tournament, not even close, and this article just confirms that.
    Based on this article there seem to be many things wrong with plans for Philippine hockey. The main issue for me is that if they field an expat/diaspora team in the SE Asia Games it will be totally unfair to the likes of Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia who've worked so hard on local development.

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    Also completely unproductive.

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    Here is the full schedule for next month's event.

    https://www.kualalumpur2017.com.my/s...Ice_Hockey.pdf

    A straight round robin played over five days ,so each team plays four games in 5 days , with two of them playing on four straight days. Tough schedule.

    Thailand start as strong favourites with only Philippines looking as though they might challenge them. As ever, at this amateur level, team strength will depend on eligibility and availability.

    Geoff
    Last edited by GeoffH; 20-08-2017 at 13:16.

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    Event is underway and the IIHF are providing scoring updates;

    http://www.iihf.com/channels1718/seagames/statistics/

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffH View Post
    Event is underway and the IIHF are providing scoring updates;

    http://www.iihf.com/channels1718/seagames/statistics/
    Comfortable wins for MAS and THA on day 1 but closer than the corresponding games at the AWG earlier this year.

    MAS 10 INA 3
    THA 7 SGP 0

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    Looks as though Indonesia are headed for 5th , with Singapore and Malaysia contesting 3rd and Philippines and Thailand competing for gold

    PHI 12 INA 0
    THA 10 MAS 4

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    PHI 7 SGP 2
    THA 12 INA 0
    SGP 6 INA 1

    A couple of more competitive games and hopefully the last three will be closely contested as the medal places are decided.

    Indonesia finish with four defeats but hopefully encouraged that they are making progress. They are using all home grown players with no dual nationals, which is good to see.

    Geoff

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    PHI 8 MAS 7 penalty shootout
    PHI 5 THA 4

    Two very close games but even more drama off ice as Thailand protested about the eligibility of Fuglister of the Philippine team and the start of the match was delayed 2 hours 45minutes. Fuglister did not play but I don't know if he was ruled ineligible or just withdrew to allow the game to proceed. If the former then PHI will default their first three games and THA will take gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffH View Post
    PHI 8 MAS 7 penalty shootout
    PHI 5 THA 4

    Two very close games but even more drama off ice as Thailand protested about the eligibility of Fuglister of the Philippine team and the start of the match was delayed 2 hours 45minutes. Fuglister did not play but I don't know if he was ruled ineligible or just withdrew to allow the game to proceed. If the former then PHI will default their first three games and THA will take gold.

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    Geoff,

    you're unbelievable.... from where you know always such stories? You must have a very good channel..... Thanks for sharing this!

    Steven Füglister was born in Zurich / Switzerland. I don't know, if his mother is Philippina...... Maybe he's "only" Swiss...
    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=49002
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Geoff,

    you're unbelievable.... from where you know always such stories? You must have a very good channel..... Thanks for sharing this!

    Steven Füglister was born in Zurich / Switzerland. I don't know, if his mother is Philippina...... Maybe he's "only" Swiss...
    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=49002
    Thank you but it looks as though I got this wrong !

    NToIH is reporting that Fuglister was suspended for 'rough play'. Don't know that this explains the late start.

    Meanwhile on the ice Malaysia defeated Singapore 8-2 to win the bronze medals.

    The medals have been presented.

    Geoff

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffH View Post
    Thank you but it looks as though I got this wrong !

    NToIH is reporting that Fuglister was suspended for 'rough play'. Don't know that this explains the late start.

    Meanwhile on the ice Malaysia defeated Singapore 8-2 to win the bronze medals.

    The medals have been presented.

    Geoff
    never mind..... normally your information are correct...

    Füglister got an game misconduct vs. MAS yesterday. So, normally he should play the next day... strange.... anyway PHI won, so, who cares in the Philippines...
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    Excellent article by Martin Merk

    http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/n...e4e0c994f0b24f

    Seems that PHI caused the delay to the game start by trying to get Fuglister reinstated.

    Geoff

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    Good to see Ice Hockey featuring again this year. Same five teams ;


    https://www.nationalteamsoficehockey...-to-sea-games/

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    Coverage at IIHF.com

    https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2020/sea

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    Nice work from the IIHF for having a complete setup for the tournament on their website.

    Two games from Day 1 with Thailand and the Philippines destroying their opposition.

    - Indonesia 0-14 Thailand (15:00, 1 December 2019)
    - Malaysia 1-15 Philippines (19:00, 1 December 2019)

    Standings:
    1. Philippines - 3pts (1 game)
    2. Thailand - 3pts (1 game)
    3. Malaysia - 0pts (1 game)
    4. Indonesia - 0pts (1 game)
    5. Singapore - 0pts (0 games)

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    Only one game on Day 2 with Singapore winning their opening game of the tournament

    - Singapore 8-2 Indonesia (19:00, 2 December 2019)

    Standings:
    1. Philippines - 3pts (1 game)
    2. Thailand - 3pts (1 game)
    3. Singapore - 3pts (1 game)
    4. Malaysia - 0pts (1 game)
    5. Indonesia - 0pts (2 games)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salavat View Post
    Only one game on Day 2 with Singapore winning their opening game of the tournament

    - Singapore 8-2 Indonesia (19:00, 2 December 2019)

    Standings:
    1. Philippines - 3pts (1 game)
    2. Thailand - 3pts (1 game)
    3. Singapore - 3pts (1 game)
    4. Malaysia - 0pts (1 game)
    5. Indonesia - 0pts (2 games)
    Had hoped some of the games would be closer ! Thailand thumping Malaysia today. Looks like the Malaysia v Indonesia game will decide the fourth semifinalist.

    Geoff
    Last edited by GeoffH; 03-12-2019 at 11:02.

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    Not wrong about Thailand smashing Malaysia, picking up the largest win of the tournament so far. The Philippines v Singapore game was a lot closer at least.

    On an unrelated note I had read somewhere that there was an attempt to hold a women's tournament as well but only three nations applied. Four teams is apparently the minimum for a medal event.

    So two games from Day 3:

    - Thailand 16-0 Malaysia (15:00, 3 December 2019)
    - Philippines 5-3 Singapore (19:00, 3 December 2019)

    Standings:
    1. Thailand - 6pts (2 games)
    2. Philippines - 6pts (2 games)
    3. Singapore - 3pts (2 game)
    4. Indonesia - 0pts (2 games)
    5. Malaysia - 0pts (2 games)

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    Only one game on Day 4 with the Philippines easily beating Indonesia

    - Indonesia 1-8 Philippines (19:00, 4 December 2019)

    Standings:
    1. Philippines - 9pts (3 games)
    2. Thailand - 6pts (2 games)
    3. Singapore - 3pts (2 game)
    4. Malaysia - 0pts (2 games)
    5. Indonesia - 0pts (3 games)

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    On Day 5 Thailand continues to dominate and Malaysia pick up their first points

    - Malaysia 5-4 Indonesia
    - Thailand 12-2 Singapore

    Standings:
    2. Thailand - 9pts (3 games)
    1. Philippines - 9pts (3 games)
    3. Singapore - 3pts (3 game)
    4. Malaysia - 3pts (3 games)
    5. Indonesia - 0pts (4 games)

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    Easy wins for SGP v MAS and THA v PHI which settles the SF line-ups.

    INA finish fifth with four straight losses.

    THA should beat MAS in the first SF but SGP has a chance to upset PHI in the other.

    Geoff

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    Results from Day 6 finishes up the group stage round as GeoffH mentioned. I fully expected the Philippines to put up more of a fight against Thailand but I guess they're must a class above the rest. Thailand finished the group stage with a +49 goal difference. Now onto the playoffs.

    - Singapore 14-3 Malaysia
    - Philippines 1-10 Thailand

    Standings:
    1. Thailand - 12pts (4 games)
    2. Philippines - 9pts (4 games)
    3. Singapore - 6pts (4 game)
    4. Malaysia - 3pts (4 games)
    5. Indonesia - 0pts (4 games)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salavat View Post
    I fully expected the Philippines to put up more of a fight against Thailand but I guess they're must a class above the rest... Now onto the playoffs.
    Maybe they were thinking the same thing. They were safe for a top two seed and perhaps they felt there was less need to put 100% effort just before the playoffs begin. Sort of how after teams in other sports clinch a playoff position, they can rest their stars and potentially reduce the risk of injury to said players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salavat View Post
    I fully expected the Philippines to put up more of a fight against Thailand but I guess they're must a class above the rest... Now onto the playoffs.
    Maybe they were thinking the same thing. They were safe for a top two seed and perhaps they felt there was less need to put 100% effort just before the playoffs begin. Sort of how after teams in other sports clinch a playoff position, they can rest their stars and potentially reduce the risk of injury to said players.
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    Championship over for PHI after losing to SGP. Should end up THA - gold, SGP -silver, PHI - bronze.

    Geoff

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    In the semifinals Thailand destroy Malaysia as expected and Singapore get the upset over the Philippines. Agree with you GeoffH on the medal predictions. And if Philippines were resting players in the group stage I hope that wasn't the reason for the eventual loss to Singapore. Maybe Singapore are just getting better as the tournament progresses.

    Semifinals
    - Thailand 15-0 Malaysia
    - Philippines 3-4 Singapore

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    No surprises on the last day ;

    Thailand 1st up from 2nd in 2017
    Singapore 2nd up from 4th
    Philippines 3rd down from 1st
    Malaysia 4th down from 3rd
    Indonesia 5th no change

    Disappointingly it seems there won’t be another version of this event until Thailand hosts in 2025. Neither Vietnam (2021) nor Cambodia (2023) have the facilities needed.

    Nonetheless all five teams have well established National team programs and have further events lined up for later this season.
    Thailand will compete in Division IIIB of the WC having already played in an Olympic prequalification event.
    Singapore, Philippines and Indonesia will compete in the CCoA.
    Malaysia and Philippines will meet again in the newly formed Division IV of the WC.

    Good progress indeed.

    Geoff

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