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    Quote Originally Posted by pedalinka View Post
    Lithuania. second win now, why are they always so strong ?? does somebody know. their hockey infrastrukture is also far from good. or im i missing something :-)
    Lithuania is always a mid-tier team at this Div1 group. It's not that we a so strong, just played 2 games against low-tier teams that was a must win games. Well, our team actually could be a really strong team (at this level) if we could bring a full roster. There are several really important players missing. And i'm not talking about "huge" players laike Armalis, Zubrus and Kasparaitis. These would be a star players among all here, despite the age of Zubrus, and especially Kasparaitis. We expect all them to play for National team after 2 years (when Kasparaitis will be eligible). He needs just 2 more seasons to play in Lithuanian championship to be eligible for national team.
    ... If only Kasparaitis could play for his National team :083:

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    Seems Pavliukov is a good replacement so far - at least his skills were enough for six winn and he has a 93%.
    I think Rybakov and Tadas Kumeliauskas would be a good extra for this team.
    In spite that most players come from MOL-league and the home championship was better than ever, Romania not performes too well so far, and it seems they will fight with Estonia against relegation.

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    and what about , their ice hockey infrastructure ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedalinka View Post
    and what about , their ice hockey infrastructure ?
    Find more in the forums at here: http://www.internationalhockey.net/f...-and-LITHUANIA

    Also, what happening again with Estonia? I have no live stream, only the statistics, and again, they have almost equal amount of shots on goal, same amount of penalties, but seems they again loosing badly. So wrong the deffence, or goalies underperforming?

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    Has Rendulic arrived for tonights game?
    Would be a huge boost for the young team, mayne upsetting Ukraina isn't out of reach...

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    Estonia made it to 3-3, already stealing at least a point from Britain. Seems their deffence became better, and Seppanen is now on 90%. Ben O Connor got a 10minute penalty because of abusing officials. (He commited it after the end-marker horn)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghoebi View Post
    Has Rendulic arrived for tonights game?
    Would be a huge boost for the young team, mayne upsetting Ukraina isn't out of reach...
    He came....and will play

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDani View Post
    Estonia made it to 3-3, already stealing at least a point from Britain. Seems their deffence became better, and Seppanen is now on 90%. Ben O Connor got a 10minute penalty because of abusing officials. (He commited it after the end-marker horn)
    GB win 4-3 after OT. Robert Dowd again with the game winning contribution.

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    Britain won against Esonia in OT, to 4:3. A great comebcack for Estonia to the league - after yesterday's defeat, they seemed to be hopeles. Also, mistakenly I wrote Seppanen as goalie - today goalie was Koitma, and it seems he did a much better job than yesterday - also Estonian defence was better, lesser penalties and lesser goals against a stronger opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDani View Post
    Estonia made it to 3-3, already stealing at least a point from Britain. Seems their deffence became better, and Seppanen is now on 90%. Ben O Connor got a 10minute penalty because of abusing officials. (He commited it after the end-marker horn)
    Seppanen wasn't in net today.
    Couldn't catch the game but nice to see Estonia isn't as bad as you could think yesterday.

    Good to hear about Rendulic. Ukraine isn't a hockey power anymore with that team so anything is possible. Always cheering for the home teams in those tourneys.

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    Once again, Rooba, Petrov, Makrov and Lahesalu carrying the Estonian team. Goes to show what difference being a professional player makes.

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    The first three have carried Estonia for a long time....they are all terrific players.

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    Ukraine has been surprisingly strong, considering that most of their players are playing in the domestic Ukrainian competition now, which doesn't feature many games compared to what many of them were used to in the past.

    I figured Estonia and Romania for the relegation battle, but based upon results so far, Estonia looks like a good bet to beat Romania when they go head to head.

    Croatia has disappointed so far, but also has played their two primary opponents to start the tournament. I thought that their goaltending looked weak against the British.

    I'm picking Ukraine to promote, Great Britain for silver, and think Croatia will bounce back to take bronze.

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    wow this Ref is giving Croatia a hard time! Croatia players shouldn't abuse him tho :)

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    Croatia is so far disappointing, even if they played against the two top team. They are only good in collecting supid penalties so far.
    It seems Rendulic could not make a difference today.
    Estonian first line is good, other players showed not too much so far. Will be a blow if this last players from the generation of the once middle-DIV1 Estonian team will retire. After them, there is only Rooba as a really good player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shefpie View Post
    GB win 4-3 after OT. Robert Dowd again with the game winning contribution.
    Highlights from IHUKTV:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KSCWazLlLQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDani View Post
    Croatia is so far disappointing, e
    and what did you expect ? No EIHC tournaments during the season, which led to complete lack of chemistry, most players played cro league only, others jumped from junior EBEL to serious senior level (D1B), cronucks came two days before tournament (!?), and whole team started training camp for this tourney exactely 11 days before it's start. Considering all of that I am suprised that we managed to shot 33 times on UKR net.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Ukraine has been surprisingly strong, considering that most of their players are playing in the domestic Ukrainian competition now, which doesn't feature many games compared to what many of them were used to in the past.
    Actually, if you take a look at the Ukrainian league you'll see that eight teams played a 40 round regular season which was large improvement over a previous season that had only four teams playing meagre 12 matches each. This is the reason, I believe, so many of Ukrainian good players returned home to play in Donbass, Generals or Kremenchuk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDani View Post
    In spite that most players come from MOL-league and the home championship was better than ever, Romania not performes too well so far, and it seems they will fight with Estonia against relegation.
    Romanian teams were quite bad this season in MOL. Brasov played with Romanian players only and ended last, while Csíkszerede's top players were foreigner who failed to lift the team towards the playoff. Sure, Romanian championship looked more serious than in previous years, but some top Romanian players like Gliga, Bors, Goga or Bíró twins failed to appear in Zagreb. Romanian youngest player, Sandor, wasn't even born when Moldovan debuted on the world championship in 1998.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
    Romanian teams were quite bad this season in MOL. Brasov played with Romanian players only and ended last, while Csíkszerede's top players were foreigner who failed to lift the team towards the playoff. Sure, Romanian championship looked more serious than in previous years, but some top Romanian players like Gliga, Bors, Goga or Bíró twins failed to appear in Zagreb. Romanian youngest player, Sandor, wasn't even born when Moldovan debuted on the world championship in 1998.
    Perhabs, but in the MOL-League you are not only good due to your domestic players but mostly how you buy and integrate legionaries.(the top scorers and players of MOL-League are mostly foreigners, and they are the ones who especially in the middle-ranked teams make the difference between being 4th or 5th). Romanian teams had financial problems in this season. Also, MOL-League is more serious and a higher-level competition than the almost non-existing Estonian league or the Ukrainian, and most of these Romanian players spent many seasons there.
    I think the short preparation time (not even one week) is their main problem; in spite that they have the skills to be compatitive on this level, they not work as a team well. One can't make a team without serious trainings and preparation games.

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    Didn't realize that the domestic Ukrainian competition repaired itself so soon. However, there are only a few good teams, with the top teams destroying the other teams by double digit margins. Still not a league that's up to the standard of the Belarussian league, the VHL, or the Kazakh league. Nevertheless, Ukraine is looking like they will win gold.

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    Ukraine - Estonia: 7-1 (2-0, 2-1, 3-0) SoG: 35-29, PiM: 6-4
    In the first period, Ukraine overpowered Estonia, and outshoot them to 23-7, but they only scored two goal. Then at the second period, Estonia played with different attitude and Ukraine maybe set back, so Estonia had a solid dominance and made it 2-1. However, two quick goal in one minute, near the end of the period, decided the game. At the third period, Estonia waited only for the end, so Ukraine could score some goal with lesser efforts than in the first period.
    Embrich and Shvarogin not played for Estonia, yet they are in the roster.

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    Great Britain just crushing Lithuania right now.....6-0 in the second period and outshooting them for the game so far 23-4.

    So Ukraine - Great Britain will be the gold medal game.

    Really hoping that the British team can pull off a regulation win vs. Ukraine and promote, though it will be a tall order. Ukraine looks really strong at this event.

    Marras - Thanks for the YouTube links for the British squad. They are really great videos.

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    Lithuania is not on the ice at this game so far, they had only 5 shots on goal, and the standing is 8-0 for Britain. Seems Britain want to show now that the OT against Estonia was only a small "hickupp" and they are here for the gold. Their game with Ukraine will be a really entertaining one.

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    I don't remember the game like this Lithuania played last time... They simply were not there. Yes, GB is stronger etc.. but c'mon. I don't undertand why they refused to play today
    ... If only Kasparaitis could play for his National team :083:

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    did anyone find a stream for Romania - Croatia ?

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    Congratulations to Croatia

    ROMANIA vs CROATIA 5:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post

    Marras - Thanks for the YouTube links for the British squad. They are really great videos.
    Yes, always nice to see Chris Ellis looking slightly uncomfortable wearing a suit. Bless him.

    Great win today. Saturday should be a massive game. We've been down this road with GB before but hopefully this time will different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shefpie View Post
    Yes, always nice to see Chris Ellis looking slightly uncomfortable wearing a suit. Bless him.

    Great win today. Saturday should be a massive game. We've been down this road with GB before but hopefully this time will different.
    Well last year losing to LTU cost GBR promotion, they fixed that problem today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Great Britain just crushing Lithuania right now.....6-0 in the second period and outshooting them for the game so far 23-4.

    So Ukraine - Great Britain will be the gold medal game.

    Really hoping that the British team can pull off a regulation win vs. Ukraine and promote, though it will be a tall order. Ukraine looks really strong at this event.

    Marras - Thanks for the YouTube links for the British squad. They are really great videos.
    Excellent coverage indeed.

    Highlights from the Great Britain - Lithuania game:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wym_M8LblNA

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    Quote Originally Posted by shefpie View Post
    Yes, always nice to see Chris Ellis looking slightly uncomfortable wearing a suit. Bless him.
    If that's the guy presenting the game highlights, he might consider getting a suit that actually fits him ;-)
    But great job otherwise!

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    Funny that only Moldovan ir Romanian player... Although also his second surname is Horvath...
    All of the "Romania" players are Hungarians...

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    Lithuania beats Ukraine 2-1 in regulation time! Great Britain now has a big opportunity to win gold, if they can beat Ukraine in any fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Lithuania beats Ukraine 2-1 in regulation time! Great Britain now has a big opportunity to win gold, if they can beat Ukraine in any fashion.
    This tournament is all over the place, kind of makes me suspicious about the GB-LIT 8-0 outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Lithuania beats Ukraine 2-1 in regulation time! Great Britain now has a big opportunity to win gold, if they can beat Ukraine in any fashion.
    One point would be enough for GBR. If UKR get all three then LTU can win if they take three from CRO. UKR seem to have blown their chances.

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    Highlights from Great Britain - Romania:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR5zZVrivds

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffH View Post
    One point would be enough for GBR. If UKR get all three then LTU can win if they take three from CRO. UKR seem to have blown their chances.

    Geoff
    So basically the same situation they found themselves in last year, where one point against Lithuania would have been enough to clinch 1st place.

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    Rooba-Petrov-Markov carrying Estonia once again...

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    Oh yes, they beat KOR and then blew it in the final game. Generally performances have been much stronger this year apart from the slip up against EST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marras View Post
    So basically the same situation they found themselves in last year, where one point against Lithuania would have been enough to clinch 1st place.

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    Is this right: if Ukraine beats UK and Lithuania beats Croatia then Lithuania wins the group?? I didn´t expect that posibility at all.
    Ukraine or UK was my tip...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sloklo View Post
    Is this right: if Ukraine beats UK and Lithuania beats Croatia then Lithuania wins the group?? I didn´t expect that posibility at all.
    Ukraine or UK was my tip...
    Yes LTU and UKR would both have 12 points and the match between the two would decide who finishes top. GBR would have 11 points and would be third the point dropped against EST costing them promotion.

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    Last edited by GeoffH; 23-04-2016 at 00:34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffH View Post
    Yes LTU and UKR would both have 12 points and the match between the two would decide who finishes top. GBR would have 11 points and would be third the point dropped against EST costing them promotion.

    Geoff
    That would be something if Lithuania gets promoted. I believe tho GB will not repeat the mistake from last year and not getting the point they need, cause because of that LTU - UKR result, once again they need a point for the promotion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffH View Post
    Oh yes, they beat KOR and then blew it in the final game. Generally performances have been much stronger this year apart from the slip up against EST.

    Geoff
    This is true. Also, they have every player they wanted available (no injuries etc). Add of Evan Mosey have been refreshing as he has fast wheels and from that he creates changes for himself. Also nice to see Ross Venus scoring his 1st GB goal. Summasummarum: GB have much bigger changes than last year, they are confident and for cherry on the top of cake Ben Bowns' been outstanding through the tournament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikke View Post
    Add of Evan Mosey have been refreshing as he has fast wheels and from that he creates changes for himself. .
    Mosey is very good. He arrived in Nottingham back in 2014 from playing in the Dutch League with very little fanfare but has been very impressive and his game has continually improved over the last 2 seasons. Equally at home playing in defence or as forward (and, as you say, very quick) he was vital in the Panthers cup/play off success in the past few months.

    He recently signed a new 2 year deal and I think all fans were delighted by that.

    Fingers crossed for today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shefpie View Post
    Fingers crossed for today.
    GB unfortunately choked again. Coming to the 3rd with 1-0 lead, they blew it up. Now, I just really hope Lithuania can take the gold.
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    2-1 win for Ukraine so Lithuania is back in the running for 1st place.

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    For GBR this Division is like a 'lobster pot' easy to get into but impossible to get out of !!! They get another chance next year.
    Tough game for LTU against CRO , good luck to them.

    Geoff

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikke View Post
    GB unfortunately choked again. Coming to the 3rd with 1-0 lead, they blew it up. Now, I just really hope Lithuania can take the gold.

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    Damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Damn.
    Yes, damn just about covers it.

    Credit to Ukraine but so frustrating from our point of view. You certainly couldn't doubt the efforts of the players but once again when it really mattered they just couldn't do it.

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    The main problem of the British team is the lack of imagination in offense. I was at the game and the moment British took the lead they started to play in the best tradition of Italian football. Somehow, British thought they were going to win by 1:0. Even when Ukrainians managed to tie, British did not change their game. They never went for the second goal until Ukraine took the lead.

    Even the addition of Mosey, naturalised American, did not improve British offense. I mean, the best scorer among British in EIHL is O'Connor, a defenseman. Mosey, as top forward is only 43rd on the EIHL scorer list. Unless British players take more important roles in EIHL, British team has no place in Division IB.

    As an illustration of the task ahead of the British hockey, I'll point at the example of Canadian player Alex Leavitt. He scored 73 points for Braehead that got him 4th place in EIHL. Yet, the same player could not keep his place in Medveščak, then an average team of Austrian EBEL league with mere 4 points in 13 matches.

    As long as top British players are going to be worse than North American players who failed to make any impact in AHL, British team belongs to division IB.

    I am only sorry for the excellent British fans, the famous "Barmy Army" who stood and cheered for its team throughout the game. Today I took my FC Liverpool scarf and went to the stands near them solely to feel the atmosphere. Too bad they lost but I do hope they'll visiti Zagreb again.

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