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    Gentlemen!
    Now I'm working on Polish championships. This is compilation of all usable for me sources: http://wh.5-games.ru/index.php?a=league&league=15 (1964-2014). By the way... I found a very good source - http://www.hokej.net/pl/mistrzostwa-polski/137/ But the text looks like interrupted one at the middle of 1983-84 season. Do somebody know - is this text exist as the full view? Also I'll be very grateful for data on Polish minor leagues, absent in my list!

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    Impressive work. A nice site you have there. :D

    I have all Polish tables dating back to the very first championship in 1926-27 on hand... Let me know any specific years you need, and I will post them.

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    Red Maple Leaf, thanks for kind words!
    So far I limit the work as the championship of Poland of a season 1960-61. Therefore, I have no such tables:
    2 Liga polska (2nd level):
    1967-71, 1984-87, 1988-98
    I liga polska w hokeju na lodzie (2nd level)
    1999-00
    3 liga polska (3rd level)
    1962-66, 1973-74, 1976-78, 1980-99 (I'm not sure that 3-rd level league existed all these seasons)
    II liga polska w hokeju na lodzie (3rd level)
    1999-12 (I don't know the year of rebuilding 3rd level leagues in Poland)
    These tables at me are absent completely. I have a number of tables, but they are available in an incomplete look - there are one or several territorial groups absent. I will list these tables later.
    I will be grateful for any additions!

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    Unfortunately, I don't have any tables for the lower-tier competitions in the years you mentioned. I have complete first-level tables, but everything below is a bit hit-or-miss.

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    Red Maple Leaf, it's a pity... Tables of the low-level leagues represent for me bigger interest due to a lot of "white spots" there. Nevertheless, there are incomplete data and on the highest league tables. Can you help me to comlete these tables?
    1964-65 (wins, ties, loses, goals, points at the preliminary and final rounds)
    1965-74, 1975-77, 1985-86 (wins, ties, loses at the preliminary and final rounds)
    1995-96 (wins, ties, loses at the preliminary round)
    1996-97, 1998-99 (tables of preliminary round)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbit View Post
    Red Maple Leaf, it's a pity... Tables of the low-level leagues represent for me bigger interest due to a lot of "white spots" there. Nevertheless, there are incomplete data and on the highest league tables. Can you help me to comlete these tables?
    1964-65 (wins, ties, loses, goals, points at the preliminary and final rounds)
    1965-74, 1975-77, 1985-86 (wins, ties, loses at the preliminary and final rounds)
    1995-96 (wins, ties, loses at the preliminary round)
    1996-97, 1998-99 (tables of preliminary round)
    Hello again,

    I apologize for the delay in getting back to you, I have been very busy in real life lately. But I went through my files for the years requested, and found I am missing much of the same data you are.

    However, I did discover that I had a partial table for the 1998-99 season's preliminary round. It is listed below, in a GP, Pts. format.

    1 Unia Oświęcim 26 48
    2 Podhale Nowy Targ 26 46
    3 KKH Katowice 26 40
    4 KTH Krynica 26 38
    5 SMS Warszawa 26 38
    6 Stoczniowiec Gdańsk 26 30
    7 STS Autosan Sanok 26 24
    8 TTS Tychy 26 24
    9 Polonia Bytom 26 22
    10 Cracovia 26 20
    11 TTH Toruń 26 18
    12 Zagłębie Sosnowiec 26 10
    13 BTH Bydgoszcz 26 4
    14 SMS Sosnowiec 26 2

    Hope this helps and I'm sorry I wasn't able to be of more assistance.

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    Red Maple Leaf, thank you very much! And don't sorry. All found is rare data and any help is a great help! You help me very well!

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    Is Budolwlany KS and Polonia Bydgoszcz the same Team or 2 different ?

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    Is Budolwlany KS and Polonia Bydgoszcz the same Team or 2 different ?
    No. Budowlani was from Opole.

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    There was also one Team in Bydgoszcz:

    http://wh.5-games.ru/index.php?a=team&team=626

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    Gentlemen!
    Now I'm working on old Polish stats - studiing polish newspapers. I collect approx. 95% goal scorers of season 1978-79. The summary you can see here
    But I have some troubles with previous season - 1977-78. Most interesant newspaper - "Trybuna Robotnicza" stopped publishing of scorers in two month. So I collected only 76% of goal scorers. 335 goals of 1386 are missed. Can anybody assist me to collect the rest of goals?
    The summary of missed game stats below (team, missed goals, missed games and tour of games):
    Zaglebie
    36 of 157
    Tychy 1-2, Tychy 19-20, Baildon 25-26, Katowice 35-36
    Podhale
    20 of 211
    Polonia 33-34
    Naprzod
    48 of 153
    Polonia 17, LKS 19-20, Baildon 23-24, Katowice 26, Polonia 35-36
    LKS
    0 of 134
    Baildon
    70 of 161
    Cracovia 1-2, LKS 14, Tychy 17-18, LKS 22, Naprzod 23-24, Zaglebie 25-26, Polonia 30, Katowice 33-34, Tychy 35-36
    GKS Katowice
    33 of 160
    Tychy 10, Podhale 19-20, Polonia 21, Stoczniowiec 23-24, Naprzod 25-26, Baildon 33-34, Zaglebie 35-36
    Stoczniowiec
    26 of 106
    Polonia 1-2, Polonia 20, Katowice 23-24
    GKS Tychy
    49 of 114
    Zaglebie 1-2, Baildon 17-18, Zaglebie 19-20, Polonia 23-24, LKS 33-34, Baildon 35-36
    Cracovia
    16 of 115
    unknown date, results and scorers of games of 25-26 tours vs Polonia
    Polonia
    37 of 75
    Stoczniowiec 1-2, LKS 9-10, Naprzod 17, Stoczniowiec 19, Katowice 21-22, Tychy 23-24, Cracovia 25-26, Baildon 30, Podhale 33-34, Naprzod 36
    I'm ready to publish a file with all goals I found, if it will be necessary!!!

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    Hello to all,

    As far as I am concerned, I have been working on inter-war Polish leagues and developed my archive pages about Poland, which contained only final tournaments for early years (and tables afterwards).
    Especially, I worked on 1931/32. Yes, a season... without National championship !
    But it was a very interesting season, because ice hockey developed a lot in new cities (Radom, Tarnopol). The number of clubs is quite impressive, including several Jewish clubs (Makkabi Krakow, Hasmonea Lwow, Makabi Warsaw, Makabi Wolkowysk, Jehuda Tarnopol...) whose members probably mostly died ten years after.
    http://www.passionhockey.com/hockeya...ologne1932.htm
    You can compare with previous year how it developed :
    http://www.passionhockey.com/hockeya...ologne1931.htm

    You can wonder about how World War II stopped that development, especially in cities now in Ukraine/Belarus/Lithuania, which had no ice hockey after war.
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    Very interesting to see those results from the regional competitions in 1931-32. I was unaware many of these competitions or the teams competing in them even existed.

    Were these contested in other years too? If so I'd be extremely intrigued in seeing standings, team lists, results, etc.

    Great work Marc - I love your site on the whole. It's truly a fantastic resource that must've taken countless hours to research and construct.

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    Poland championship 1985-86 is here. Tournament table is corrected, all goal scorers are added (only 8 goals are missed)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Maple Leaf View Post
    Very interesting to see those results from the regional competitions in 1931-32. I was unaware many of these competitions or the teams competing in them even existed.

    Were these contested in other years too? If so I'd be extremely intrigued in seeing standings, team lists, results, etc.

    Great work Marc - I love your site on the whole. It's truly a fantastic resource that must've taken countless hours to research and construct.
    Hello,

    Yes, I know the development went on in the next years, but I have to research it further.
    That might not be very soon though, I'm also working on other pages/countries (for example
    http://www.passionhockey.com/hockeya...Suisse1933.htm) and on two biographies from Jaenecke & Hasek.

    Any help on the site is welcome if you can add or correct sth.

    Marc
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    Hello,

    Yes, I know the development went on in the next years, but I have to research it further.
    That might not be very soon though, I'm also working on other pages/countries (for example
    http://www.passionhockey.com/hockeya...Suisse1933.htm) and on two biographies from Jaenecke & Hasek.

    Any help on the site is welcome if you can add or correct sth.

    Marc
    I have lots of stats from around the world... Including some countries not yet featured in the archives (East Germany & Yugoslavia) come to mind. I also have results from all Swiss Championships dating back to the first one in 1908-09 obtained from the Swiss Federation.

    PM me if any of this is of interest. I'd love to help out with filling in the gaps.

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    If anybody have an interest, we with my friends from russian statforum made Polish 1973-1987 seasons information (rosters as minimal, full scoring list as optimal) - here. Full lists of game results for these seasons will be accessible at the Marc's pages soon. Or I can send its to any email as pdf files.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Maple Leaf View Post
    Very interesting to see those results from the regional competitions in 1931-32. I was unaware many of these competitions or the teams competing in them even existed.

    Were these contested in other years too? If so I'd be extremely intrigued in seeing standings, team lists, results, etc.

    Great work Marc - I love your site on the whole. It's truly a fantastic resource that must've taken countless hours to research and construct.
    I finally added season 1932/33. A new city discovered hockey (Rowne, now Rivne, Ukraine).

    But most of all, what I found out was an incredible final, which restarted 1:30 AM in the middle of the night and finished after 4 AM !
    This forgotten legendary game and full results :
    http://www.passionhockey.com/hockeya...ologne1933.htm
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