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    Austria Austria - Nationalliga and other leagues

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    EHC Bregenzerwald



    Established: 1985
    Championships:
    Last year: Nationalliga 9th
    Homearena: http://hockeyarenas.net/index.php3?p...D=263&arID=591
    Homepage: EHC Bregenzerwald

    GK:

    GMEINER Rene
    POHL Jakob
    PERNUTSCH Manuel

    D:

    ABRAHAMSSON Marcus
    STADELMANN Marc
    MITGUTSCH David
    IMMLER David
    KLICZNIK Roman

    F:

    PETTERSSON Tommy
    GMEINER Christian
    BEREUTER Dominik
    SCHEDLER Guntram
    MITGUTSCH Marcel
    IMMLER Christoph
    POHL Gabriel
    LÄNGLE Rene
    TSCHEMERNJAK Klaus
    MITGUTSCH Bernd
    SPETTEL David
    URSCHITZ Manuel
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    EC Dornbirn



    Established: 1992
    Championships:
    Last year: Nationalliga, 5th
    Homearena: Messestadion
    Homepage: EC Dornbirn
    Main sponsor: TREND

    Headcoach: Kjell G. Lindqvist

    G:

    30 Fend Christian
    36 Schwendinger Christoph

    D:

    4 Holopainen Jukka-Pekka (FIN)
    23 Kutzer Michael
    28 Mana Michael
    61 Spanring Stefan
    71 Wild Rene
    78 Penker Gerald
    89 Lumetzberger Dominik

    F:

    8 Woger Daniel
    9 Grafschafter Julian
    10 Herburger Raphael
    11 Ganahl Patrick
    12 Andersson Henrik (SWE)
    16 Jämsen Lasse (FIN)
    22 Rauter Sascha
    24 Sturm Martin
    65 Messner Christian
    69 Lissek Michael
    91 Fekete Daniel (HUN)

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    VEU Feldkirch



    Established: 2000 (succeeding the 1927 founded VEU)
    Championships: 9 EHL Championships, 4 Alpenliga titles, Winner European Hockey League 1998
    Last year: Nationalliga, 3rd
    Homearena: Vorarlberg Halle
    Homepage: VEU Feldkirch
    Main sponsor: FBI

    Headcoach: Tom Pokel

    G:

    30 Markus Seidl
    39 Michael Gruber
    88 Lorenz Hirn

    D:

    0 Christoph Ritter
    0 Alexander Pallestrang
    4 David Hois
    12 Martin Zimmermann
    18 Marc Colleoni
    32 Michael Lampert
    44 Michael Rossi
    77 Wolfgang Strauss

    F:

    0 Robin Rederer
    0 Kevin Puschnik
    0 Michael Beiter
    7 Thomas Sticha
    9 Johannes Hehle
    11 Michael Gau
    14 Jouko Myrrä (FIN)
    16 Patrick Maier
    17 Martin Mallinger
    21 Donald Robert Kinney (CAN)
    24 Marco Ferrari
    27 Bernd Schmidle
    48 Christoph Gesson
    69 Domingo Usubelli
    71 Walter Fussi

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    KSV Ice Tigers (Kapfenberg)



    Established: 2002
    Championships:
    Last year: Nationalliga, 8th
    Homearena: Sportzentrum Kapfenberg
    Homepage: KSV Ice Tigers

    Headcoach: Werner KERTH

    G:

    Florian WEISSKIRCHER
    Dominik KRAUT

    D:

    Helmut KAREL
    Lukas SCHNALLER
    Patrick HUPPMANN
    Daniel KRAUT
    Markus STRITZL
    Robert POSPISIL (CZE)

    F:

    Axel RIEGLER
    Michael SCHMIEDER
    Stefan HUBER
    Werner KERTH
    Peter PREIS
    Jiri PROCHAZKA (CZE)
    Christian SCHABLAS
    Daniel HIDEN
    Jürgen SCHOBER
    Jonas SCHULLER
    Stefan JANISCH
    Alexander HOLZLEITNER

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    EHC Lustenau

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    EC Red Bull Salzburg II

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    Wiener Eislöwen-Verein

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    EK Zell am See

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    EV Zeltweg

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    Round 1, 23.09.2006

    The season has started for the second highest league in Austria:

    FBI VEU Feldkirch - KSV Eishockeyclub 9:2 (2:1,2:1,5:0)
    1. 00:19 1:0 EQ FBI VEU Feldkir MYRRÄ Jouko(SCHMIDLE B., HEHLE J.)
    1. 00:46 1:1 PP1 KSV POSPISIL Robert(PROCHAZKA J., DORNHOFER M.)
    1. 12:36 2:1 EQ FBI VEU Feldkir SCHMIDLE Bernd(ROSSI M., SEIDL M.)
    2. 26:34 3:1 EQ FBI VEU Feldkir MYRRÄ Jouko(SCHMIDLE B., STRAUSS W.)
    2. 30:38 4:1 EQ FBI VEU Feldkir USUBELLI Domingo(KINNEY D., STICHA T.)
    2. 33:59 4:2 PP2 KSV POSPISIL Robert(KERTH W., CHALOUPKA L.)
    3. 40:43 5:2 EQ FBI VEU Feldkir SCHMIDLE Bernd(HEHLE J., STRAUSS W.)
    3. 44:56 6:2 PP1 FBI VEU Feldkir HEHLE Johannes(MYRRÄ J., SCHMIDLE B.)
    3. 49:48 7:2 PP1 FBI VEU Feldkir SCHMIDLE Bernd(MYRRÄ J., LAMPERT M.)
    3. 55:53 8:2 EQ FBI VEU Feldkir MALLINGER Martin(SCHMIDLE B., KINNEY D.)
    3. 57:11 9:2 EQ FBI VEU Feldkir FERRARI Marco(MAIER P., GESSON C.)

    EC Red Bull Salzburg - EHC Bregenzerwald 3:4 n.V. (0:2,3:0,0:1,0:1)
    1. 13:26 0:1 PP1 BREGENZERWALD TSCHEMERNJAK Klaus(PETTERSSON T., KLICZNIK R.)
    1. 15:31 0:2 EQ BREGENZERWALD ABRAHAMSSON Marcus(PETTERSSON T.)
    2. 29:33 1:2 PP1 SALZBURG MAIRITSCH Martin(JOHNSTON R., WECHSELBERGER D.)
    2. 34:55 2:2 SH1 SALZBURG WECHSELBERGER David(MAIRITSCH M.)
    2. 38:29 3:2 PP1 SALZBURG ZACH Daniel(LAINER J., SCHWAB M.)
    3. 46:58 3:3 EQ BREGENZERWALD PETTERSSON Tommy(TSCHEMERNJAK K.)
    OT. 62:52 3:4 PP1 BREGENZERWALD ABRAHAMSSON Marcus(KLICZNIK R., PETTERSSON T.)

    Eishockeyklub Zell/See - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 6:3 2:2,3:1,1:0)
    1. 02:18 1:0 PP1 ZELL MELONG Jason(COURCHAINE A., EICHBERGER T.)
    1. 04:35 1:1 PP1 WE-V HEINL Harald(STROBL D., SMATRALA J.)
    1. 09:20 1:2 PP1 WE-V SMATRALA Jaromir(VRABEL M., STROBL D.)
    1. 19:12 2:2 EQ ZELL KAINDL Florian(LEIMGRUBER M., NAGELER D.)
    2. 25:00 2:3 PP1 WE-V SMATRALA Jaromir(DVORAK L., HEINL H.)
    2. 28:29 3:3 PP2 ZELL MELONG Jason(BRABANT M., COURCHAINE A.)
    2. 30:45 4:3 PP1 ZELL HAUSEGGER Markus(SILFWERPLATZ J., SCHWAB T.)
    2. 32:49 5:3 PP1 ZELL LEIMGRUBER Michael(SILFWERPLATZ J.)
    3. 52:43 6:3 PP1 ZELL EICHBERGER Thomas(BRABANT M., MELONG J.)

    EV aicall Zeltweg - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 5:3 (1:1,3:1,1:1)
    1. 09:23 1:0 PP1 ZELTWEG GEIER Stefan(JÄGER B.)
    1. 14:12 1:1 PP1 LUSTENAU SAARINEN Toni(GOUETT M.)
    2. 20:48 2:1 EQ ZELTWEG PÖLZL Stefan(DANO J., ALBL P.)
    2. 21:11 2:2 EQ LUSTENAU SCHÄFLER Harald(GISELBRECHT J.)
    2. 35:15 3:2 EQ ZELTWEG ZUPANCIC Nik(JÄGER B., GEIER S.)
    2. 38:50 4:2 PP1 ZELTWEG ZUPANCIC Nik(JÄGER B., KRAINZ M.)
    3. 44:56 5:2 EQ ZELTWEG GRUNDAUER Michael(GEIER M., ZUPANCIC N.)
    3. 56:22 5:3 PP1 LUSTENAU GISELBRECHT Jörn

    @Teams: I will update the missing teams as soon as possible

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    Round 2 - 9

    30.09.2006 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EV aicall- Zeltweg 3:2 n.V. (1:0,1:1,0:1,1:0)
    30.09.2006 KSV Eishockeyclub - EC Red Bull Salzburg 2:3 (1:2,0:1,1:0)
    30.09.2006 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - EC-TREND Dornbirn 1:5 (1:0,0:1,0:4)
    30.09.2006 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 5:9 (2:4,2:2,1:3)

    07.10.2006 EC-TREND Dornbirn - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 2:6 (0:0,2:4,0:2)
    07.10.2006 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EHC Bregenzerwald 4:5 (1:3,2:1,1:1)
    07.10.2006 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - KSV Eishockeyclub 7:9 (3:3,2:3,2:3)
    07.10.2006 EC Red Bull Salzburg - EV aicall- Zeltweg 3:8 (1:1,1:5,1:2)

    14.10.2006 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 5:2 (0:0,3:2,2:0)
    14.10.2006 KSV Eishockeyclub - EHC Bregenzerwald 5:2 (1:0,3:1,1:1)
    14.10.2006 EV aicall- Zeltweg - EC-TREND Dornbirn 9:3 (1:0,4:2,4:1)
    14.10.2006 EC Red Bull Salzburg - FBI VEU Feldkirch 4:3 n.V. (3:0,0:1,0:2,1:0)

    15.10.2006 FBI VEU Feldkirch - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 7:2 (2:1,2:0,3:1)
    15.10.2006 EV aicall- Zeltweg - EHC Bregenzerwald 7:4 (1:1,1:1,5:2)
    15.10.2006 KSV Eishockeyclub - EC-TREND Dornbirn 4:1 (1:0,1:1,2:0)
    15.10.2006 EC Red Bull Salzburg - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 3:8 (0:4,2:2,1:2)

    21.10.2006 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - KSV Eishockeyclub 4:1 (1:0,2:1,1:0)
    21.10.2006 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EHC Bregenzerwald 7:2 (3:0,3:0,1:2)
    21.10.2006 EC-TREND Dornbirn - EC Red Bull Salzburg 6:3 (3:0,1:1,2:2)
    21.10.2006 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EV aicall- Zeltweg 7:6 n.V. (2:2,1:2,3:2,1:0)

    26.10.2006 EC-TREND Dornbirn - FBI VEU Feldkirch 4:2 (0:2,3:0,1:0)
    25.10.2006 EC Red Bull Salzburg - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 3:2 (0:1,1:1,2:0)
    26.10.2006 KSV Eishockeyclub - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 4:1 (1:0,1:0,2:1)

    28.10.2006 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - FBI VEU Feldkirch 6:7 n.P. (2:0,2:3,2:3,0:1,0:0)
    28.10.2006 EHC Bregenzerwald - EC-TREND Dornbirn 4:7 (1:3,2:0,1:4)
    28.10.2006 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - EC Red Bull Salzburg 4:1 (0:1,3:0,1:0)
    28.10.2006 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - EV aicall- Zeltweg 1:7 (0:3,0:1,1:3)

    01.11.2006 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 3:2 (1:0,1:2,1:0)
    01.11.2006 EC-TREND Dornbirn - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 6:3 (2:1,3:2,1:0)
    01.11.2006 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - EHC Bregenzerwald 12:2 (8:0,1:1,3:1)
    01.11.2006 EV aicall- Zeltweg - KSV Eishockeyclub 8:4 (3:0,3:4,2:0)

    Standings:
    1. Zeltweg 8 52:28 14
    2. Feldkirch 8 41:24 13
    3. Dornbirn 8 34:32 10
    4. Zell 8 44:39 09
    5. Lustenau 7 29:23 08
    6. KSV 8 31:35 08
    7. RBS 8 23:37 07
    8. Bregenzerwald 7 23:45 04
    9. WE-V 8 30:44 02

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    November/December games

    04.11.2006 EC Red Bull Salzburg - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 3:7 (2:3,0:3,1:1)
    04.11.2006 EHC Bregenzerwald - FBI VEU Feldkirch 1:4 (0:1,0:1,1:2)
    04.11.2006 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EC-TREND Dornbirn 7:6 (2:2,1:2,4:2)
    04.11.2006 KSV Eishockeyclub - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 4:1 (2:1,1:0,1:0)
    11.11.2006 EC-TREND Dornbirn - KSV Eishockeyclub 4:2 (3:1,0:0,1:1)
    11.11.2006 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - EV aicall- Zeltweg 8:1 (4:0,3:1,1:0)
    11.11.2006 EHC Bregenzerwald - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 4:8 (1:3,2:3,1:2)
    11.11.2006 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - EC Red Bull Salzburg 5:4 OT (1:3,0:0,3:1,1:0)
    18.11.2006 KSV Eishockeyclub - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 4:6 (1:3,1:1,2:2)
    18.11.2006 EV aicall- Zeltweg - FBI VEU Feldkirch 3:5 (2:3,1:0,0:2)
    18.11.2006 EHC Bregenzerwald - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 0:2 (0:2,0:0,0:0)
    18.11.2006 EC Red Bull Salzburg - EC-TREND Dornbirn 2:3SO (0:0,0:2,2:0,0:1,0:0)
    19.11.2006 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 6:7 (3:4,1:1,2:2)
    19.11.2006 KSV Eishockeyclub - FBI VEU Feldkirch 4:3 (2:1,1:2,1:0)
    19.11.2006 EC-TREND Dornbirn - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 7:2 (2:0,2:1,3:1)
    19.11.2006 EV aicall- Zeltweg - EC Red Bull Salzburg 5:3 (2:1,1:1,2:1)
    22.11.2006 EHC Bregenzerwald - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 1:4 (0:0,1:1,0:3)
    25.11.2006 EC-TREND Dornbirn - EV aicall- Zeltweg 5:3 (2:1,0:2,3:0)
    25.11.2006 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - FBI VEU Feldkirch 3:5 (1:0,1:3,1:2)
    25.11.2006 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - KSV Eishockeyclub 9:2 (1:1,5:1,3:0)
    25.11.2006 EHC Bregenzerwald - EC Red Bull Salzburg 1:4 (1:3,0:0,0:1)
    28.11.2006 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - EHC Bregenzerwald 10:2 (4:0,3:0,3:2)
    28.11.2006 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EC-TREND Dornbirn 3:6 (1:2,2:2,0:2)
    28.11.2006 EV aicall- Zeltweg - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 4:1 (0:1,2:0,2:0)
    28.11.2006 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EC Red Bull Salzburg 4:1 (4:0,0:1,0:0)


    02.12.2006 EC-TREND Dornbirn - EHC Bregenzerwald 7:5 (3:3,2:1,2:1)
    02.12.2006 FBI VEU Feldkirch - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 2:3SO (2:0,0:0,0:2,0:1,0:0)
    02.12.2006 KSV Eishockeyclub - EV Zeltweg 2:13 (0:8,1:3,1:2)
    03.12.2006 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 3:4 (1:2,1:1,1:1)
    05.12.2006 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - FBI VEU Feldkirch 3:4 (2:1,1:1,0:2)
    05.12.2006 EC Red Bull Salzburg - KSV Eishockeyclub 2:3 (1:1,1:0,0:2)
    05.12.2006 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 2:5 (0:0,0:2,2:3)
    09.12.2006 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - EC-TREND Dornbirn 1:8 (0:2,1:3,0:3)
    09.12.2006 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EC Red Bull Salzburg 3:4 (1:1,0:0,2:3)
    09.12.2006 EV aicall- Zeltweg - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 4:7 (1:3,2:1,1:3)
    13.12.2006 EHC Bregenzerwald - EV Zeltweg 3:2 SO. (0:1,1:1,1:0,1:0,0:0)
    16.12.2006 EHC Bregenzerwald - KSV Eishockeyclub 6:5 OT (2:2,2:2,1:1,1:0)
    16.12.2006 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - FBI VEU Feldkirch 3:5 (0:2,1:2,2:1)
    19.12.2006 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - FBI VEU Feldkirch 3:2 OT (0:1,1:0,1:1,1:0)
    19.12.2006 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 9:8 SO(3:1,1:4,4:3,1:0)
    19.12.2006 KSV Eishockeyclub - EC Red Bull Salzburg 4:1 (1:0,2:1,1:0)
    20.12.2006 EC-TREND Dornbirn - EHC Bregenzerwald 5:3 (0:2,2:1,3:0)
    23.12.2006 EC Red Bull Salzburg - EHC Bregenzerwald 5:2 (1:0,0:0,4:2)
    23.12.2006 FBI VEU Feldkirch - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 2:4 (1:1,1:2,0:1)
    23.12.2006 KSV Eishockeyclub - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 3:4OT(2:0,0:2,1:1,0:1)
    23.12.2006 EV Zeltweg - EC-TREND Dornbirn 4:3 OT (0:1,1:1,2:1,1:0)
    26.12.2006 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - EC Red Bull Salzburg 8:3 (1:1,2:1,5:1)
    26.12.2006 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - KSV Eishockeyclub 8:0 (0:0,5:0,3:0)
    26.12.2006 EHC Bregenzerwald - EV Zeltweg 2:5 (1:1,0:4,1:0)
    30.12.2006 EHC Bregenzerwald - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 1:8 (0:1,0:3,1:4)
    30.12.2006 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EC Red Bull Salzburg 5:1 (3:0,2:0,0:1)
    30.12.2006 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - EC-TREND Dornbirn 5:4 (3:1,0:2,2:1)
    30.12.2006 EV Zeltweg - KSV Eishockeyclub 4:2 (2:1,2:0,0:1)

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    Jan/Feb games

    05.01.2007 EC-TREND Dornbirn - FBI VEU Feldkirch 1:4 (0:2,1:1,0:1)
    05.01.2007 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 4:3 (2:2,0:1,2:0)
    05.01.2007 KSV Eishockeyclub - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 4:3 (0:2,3:0,1:1)
    05.01.2007 EC Red Bull Salzburg - EV aicall- Zeltweg 0:4 (0:2,0:0,0:2)
    06.01.2007 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - EV aicall- Zeltweg 6:5SO (2:1,1:1,2:3,1:0,0:0)
    07.01.2007 EC-TREND Dornbirn - EC Red Bull Salzburg 4:3OT (3:1,0:1,0:1,1:0)
    07.01.2007 EHC Bregenzerwald - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 5:6OT (2:2,3:1,0:2,0:1)
    07.01.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - KSV Eishockeyclub 9:3 (2:2,2:1,5:0)
    09.01.2007 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - EC-TREND Dornbirn 4:1 (0:0,3:1,1:0)
    09.01.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EHC Bregenzerwald 7:3 (2:1,3:1,2:1)
    09.01.2007 EV aicall- Zeltweg - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 6:5SO(3:2,2:2,0:1,1:0,0:0)
    10.01.2007 EC Red Bull Salzburg - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 10:6 (5:3,3:2,2:1)
    13.01.2007 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 2:12 (0:3,1:4,1:5)
    13.01.2007 KSV Eishockeyclub - EHC Bregenzerwald 7:1 (3:1,1:0,3:0)
    13.01.2007 EV aicall- Zeltweg - FBI VEU Feldkirch 5:4SO (2:1,1:0,1:3,1:0,0:0)
    16.01.2007 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EC-TREND Dornbirn 3:4SO(0:1,2:1,1:1,0:1,0:0)
    20.01.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EC Red Bull Salzburg 1:4 (0:2,0:1,1:1)
    20.01.2007 EC-TREND Dornbirn - KSV Eishockeyclub 7:4 (3:1,3:0,1:3)
    20.01.2007 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - EV aicall- Zeltweg 3:4 (1:2,1:1,1:1)
    20.01.2007 EHC Bregenzerwald - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 7:0 (1:0,4:0,2:0)
    21.01.2007 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EHC Bregenzerwald 9:5 (3:1,2:1,4:3)
    21.01.2007 EC-TREND Dornbirn - EV aicall- Zeltweg 4:0 (1:0,1:0,2:0)
    21.01.2007 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - KSV Eishockeyclub 4:2 (1:1,1:1,2:0)
    21.01.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 5:1 (1:0,3:0,1:1)
    27.01.2007 EV Zeltweg - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 5:3 (3:1,1:0,1:2)
    27.01.2007 KSV Eishockeyclub - EC-TREND Dornbirn 2:5 (1:1,1:0,0:4)
    27.01.2007 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - EHC Bregenzerwald 6:2 (2:0,2:0,2:2)
    27.01.2007 EC Red Bull Salzburg - FBI VEU Feldkirch 3:5 (2:2,0:1,1:2)
    30.01.2007 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - EHC Bregenzerwald 10:1 (1:0,7:0,2:1)
    30.01.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EC-TREND Dornbirn 4:0 (2:0,2:0,0:0)
    30.01.2007 KSV Eishockeyclub - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 3:2OT (2:0,0:2,0:0,1:0)
    30.01.2007 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - EC Red Bull Salzburg 0:2 (0:0,0:1,0:1)
    03.02.2007 EC-TREND Dornbirn - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 9:2 (1:2,5:0,3:0)
    03.02.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EV aicall- Zeltweg 3:2 (0:0,3:1,0:1)
    03.02.2007 EHC Bregenzerwald - KSV Eishockeyclub 3:4 (1:4,2:0,0:0)
    03.02.2007 EC Red Bull Salzburg - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 5:2 (2:1,1:0,2:1)
    04.02.2007 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 8:0 (4:0,1:0,3:0)
    04.02.2007 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EV Zeltweg 1:4 (0:1,1:0,0:3)
    04.02.2007 EC Red Bull Salzburg - KSV Eishockeyclub 5:2 (1:0,3:2,1:0)
    04.02.2007 EHC Bregenzerwald - EC-TREND Dornbirn 5:4 (2:1,1:1,2:2)
    10.02.2007 EC Red Bull Salzburg - EHC Lustenau 4:5SO(1:2,2:2,1:0,0:1,0:0)
    10.02.2007 EV Zeltweg - EHC Bregenzerwald 5:2 (0:0,1:1,4:1)
    10.02.2007 KSV Eishockeyclub - FBI VEU Feldkirch 1:2 (0:0,0:2,1:0)
    10.02.2007 EC-TREND Dornbirn - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 3:5 (0:1,1:3,2:1)
    13.02.2007 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - FBI VEU Feldkirch 4:3 (1:0,1:2,2:1)
    13.02.2007 EV aicall- Zeltweg - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 10:5 (1:1,6:2,3:2)
    14.02.2007 EC-TREND Dornbirn - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 1:3 (0:0,0:0,1:3)
    14.02.2007 EHC Bregenzerwald - EC Red Bull Salzburg 5:3 (2:2,0:1,3:0)
    17.02.2007 EC Red Bull Salzburg - EC-TREND Dornbirn 7:6SO (2:3,3:2,1:1,1:0,0:0)
    17.02.2007 KSV Eishockeyclub - EV aicall- Zeltweg 7:5 (1:1,2:1,4:3)
    17.02.2007 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 2:6 (0:2,1:2,1:2)
    18.02.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 5:3 (1:0,2:2,2:1)
    21.02.2007 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 8:5 (4:1,3:2,1:2)
    21.02.2007 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - KSV Eishockeyclub 5:4SO (0:2,0:1,4:1,0:0,1:0)
    21.02.2007 EHC Bregenzerwald - FBI VEU Feldkirch 1:6 (0:2,1:2,0:2)
    21.02.2007 EV aicall- Zeltweg - EC Red Bull Salzburg 8:3 (2:2,3:1,3:0)

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    Final table (positions from 1 to 8 advance to playoffs)

    1.ZELTWEG 36
    2.VEU Feldkirch 35
    3.LUSTENAU 35
    4.ZELL 3 35
    5.TREND Dornbirn 28
    6.RBS 23
    7.KSV 22
    8.WE-V 12
    9.BREGENZERWALD 11

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    Playoffs quarterfinals

    EV Zeltweg - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 3-0
    24.02.2007 EV Zeltweg - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 8:1 (5:0,3:0,0:1)
    28.02.2007 Wiener Eislöwen-Verein - EV Zeltweg 3:9 (2:3,1:3,0:3)
    03.03.2007 EV Zeltweg - Wiener Eislöwen-Verein 10:6 (2:2,5:1,3:3)

    FBI VEU Feldkirch - KSV Eishockeyclub 3-1
    24.02.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - KSV Eishockeyclub 3:0 (1:0,1:0,1:0)
    27.02.2007 KSV Eishockeyclub - FBI VEU Feldkirch 4:3 (0:2,1:0,3:1)
    03.03.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - KSV Eishockeyclub 3:2OT (1:0,0:0,1:2,1:0)
    06.03.2007 KSV Eishockeyclub - FBI VEU Feldkirch 4:5 (0:1,3:1,1:3)

    EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - EC Red Bull Salzburg 3-0
    24.02.2007 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - EC Red Bull Salzburg 5:1 (1:0,3:0,1:1)
    28.02.2007 EC Red Bull Salzburg - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 5:6OT (2:1,1:1,2:3,0:1)
    03.03.2007 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - EC Red Bull Salzburg 4:1 (0:0,3:1,1:0)

    Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EC-TREND Dornbirn 3-2
    24.02.2007 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EC-TREND Dornbirn 0:2 (0:0,0:0,0:2)
    28.02.2007 EC-TREND Dornbirn - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 8:5 (3:2,4:1,1:2)
    03.03.2007 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EC-TREND Dornbirn 7:4 (2:2,2:1,3:1)
    07.03.2007 EC-TREND Dornbirn - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 1:8 (0:2,1:4,0:2)
    10.03.2007 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EC-TREND Dornbirn 6:3 (0:0,3:0,3:3)

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    Playoffs semifinals

    EV Zeltweg - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 4-0
    13.03.2007 EV Zeltweg - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 1:0 (0:0,1:0,0:0)
    17.03.2007 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EV Zeltweg 3:4OT(3:0,0:2,0:1,0:1)
    20.03.2007 EV Zeltweg - Eishockeyklub Zell/See 0:5 (0:5,0:0,0:0)
    24.03.2007 Eishockeyklub Zell/See - EV Zeltweg 6:8 (1:0,1:3,4:5)

    FBI VEU Feldkirch - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 4-0
    13.03.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 7:2 (2:1,2:0,3:1)
    17.03.2007 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - FBI VEU Feldkirch 5:4OT(1:2,1:1,2:1,1:0)
    20.03.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EHC Oberscheider Lustenau 4:1 (0:0,1:1,3:0)
    24.03.2007 EHC Oberscheider Lustenau - FBI VEU Feldkirch 4:6 (2:0,0:4,2:2)

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    Playoffs finals

    EV Zeltweg - FBI VEU Feldkirch 2-3
    27.03.2007 EV Zeltweg - FBI VEU Feldkirch 6:2 (1:0,3:1,2:1)
    31.03.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EV Zeltweg 8:2 (2:0,2:2,4:0)
    03.04.2007 EV Zeltweg - FBI VEU Feldkirch 3:1 (1:0,1:0,1:1)
    07.04.2007 FBI VEU Feldkirch - EV Zeltweg 7:1 (0:0,5:1,2:0)
    10.04.2007 EV Zeltweg - FBI VEU Feldkirch 4:6 (3:2,0:3,1:1)

    Feldkirch wins Austrian Nationalliga


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    Croatia

    Does anyone know where did Croatian defender, Jurica Bednjanec who spent the 2006/07 season in Red Bull II go? I can't find him on any roster.

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    Sorry, could not find any news about him. As far as I remember he was on the U20 roster last season. He does not appear on any of the actual rosters on the red bulls website.

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    What about Wiener EV this Year ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    What about Wiener EV this Year ???
    Long story....

    In an effort to restructure the youth hockey in Vienna the plan was created to merge the teams of all clubs that offer youth hockey (essentially Junior Capitals and W-EV) on the U17 and U20 level in a new club called "Eishockeyclub Team Wien" to get more competitiveness. This also included taking over W-EV's spot in Nationalliga to form a team of Viennese prospect players that gives them the opportunity to compete in Nationalliga.
    This basically good plan was carried out last summer and so W-EV has disappeared form Nationalliga and now there is Team Wien...unfortunately a lot of things have gone wrong in this process (resp. were already screwed up before) and so youth hockey in Vienna is in a pretty bad state. Good coaches and players left, lots of fights between various club representants, the head of Team Wien club is cross with a lot of people and has not much support left, Vienna Capitals don't care about junior hockey at all....big mess.

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    Let's use this thread to cover the Austrian 2nd and lower tier leagues.

    On the third level of senior hockey in Austria the OEHV organised Oberliga (which featured only 4 teams this season) has ended yesterday with the heavy favourites of ATSE Graz claiming the title in the final against the second Klagenfurt club "Tarco Wölfe".
    ATSE (the resurrection of the former Austrian championship winnig Graz' club of the 70ies and 80ies) have stated to aim to qualify for tier II Nationalliga since they entered Oberliga and will now promote after only one year of existence.

    Meanwhile in Nationalliga the semi finals are on the way. 3 of the 4 clubs from western Austrian Vorarlberg (VEU Feldkirch, EHC Lustenau and EC Dornbirn) have qualified for the semis and are joined there by Zell am See.
    The series between Feldkirch and Lustenau, two long time rivals, draws as ever with all games having seen capacity crowds. Lustenau leads with 3:1 wins and can move on with a home win in the next game. This is also the status in the other series where Dornbirn is just one win away from the finals. Dornbirn are the defending champions and a Vorarlberg derby in the finals would most likely set this year's attendance record for hockey in Austria as Dornbirn's home arena is the biggest of all regulary used hockey halls in the country. Unfortunately this nice facility is also used for other purposes such as trade fairs and other sports events and is not available for hockey at the time of the finals and the club has to play it's games in one of the other arenas nearby (Lustenau, Feldkirch and Dornbirn are all within a 30' drive).

    Whatever the finals will bring as it is now the next Nationalliga season will feature 10 teams as Innsbruck will join in after the retreat from EBEL and ATSE Graz will move up after winning Oberliga. Whether a team from Vienne will return is still unclear there are attempts to bring back Team WIen but most likely these will be unsuccessful.

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    What are comments from the Nationalliga teams about Innsbruck? Do they think Innsbruck shall be too strong for the competition? Are there any rivalries between Innsbruck and other teams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
    What are comments from the Nationalliga teams about Innsbruck? Do they think Innsbruck shall be too strong for the competition? Are there any rivalries between Innsbruck and other teams?
    I think they are quite happy with Innsbruck, Feldkirch-Innsbruck for instance is a quite attractive rivalry and in gerneral as most teams of the legaue have played in the top league sometime in the past there's relations to Innsbruck. According to the news HCI will receive 400k Euro from sponsor TIWAG which is as already quite something for Nationalliga standards so expect them to have a decent team (guess they will bring their homegrown players which are shattered around in the league back and add the best juniors plus the one or the other Austrian from this year plus 3 imports).

    I am however sceptical about HCI in this league. I work in Innsbruck now for more than 6 years and the people there will not care too much about a team in the 2nd league. I expect them to have a couple of hundered people only in the regular season even if they are a winning team.

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    According to usually well informed sources Rem Murray is likely to stay in Innsbruck even despite the club's retreat to the second league. Murray and his family apparently like Innsbruck a lot and the 38 year old veteran of more than 600 NHL games has earned enough money in his career to be able to afford drifting into retirement softly with a for his standard low paid season in the Austrian second tier.
    If this should be true it would be a good start for the new HCI, one that nurses the hopes that the absence from the top league won't be too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RexKramer View Post
    Murray and his family apparently like Innsbruck a lot and the 38 year old veteran of more than 600 NHL games has earned enough money in his career to be able to afford drifting into retirement softly with a for his standard low paid season in the Austrian second tier.
    He is only 36 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawless View Post
    He is only 36 years old.
    Born 1972, so he's in his 37th year...let's meet in the middle. But thanks for the attention.

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    Not so good news from Zell am See have surfaced this week. EK Zell am See is one of the traditional Nationallliga powerhouse teams and before the rise of Salzburg (city) due to Red Bull's hockey activities Zell was the lone hockey hotspot in the province of Salzburg. Since years Zell financially relied heavily on the donations from its (non-executive) president Otto Wittschier but since Wittschier's death last year things have changed dramatically. Wittschier a wealthy German entrepreneur adopted Zell am See as his home years ago and discovered his love for hockey. He became involved with the club and for seasons he provided about 1/3 of the clubs budget and furthermore covered any eventual operational loss.
    When Wittschier died last year the club thought to be a beneficiary of his last will but that turned out to be not the case although Wittschier's widow supperted the club with 150.000 Euro for the previous season.
    But despite this donation and decent attendance figures during the season the club amassed a debt of 200.000 Euro and is now facing bankruptcy. As talks with potential sposnsors and other measures to save the club have failed the most likely scenario is that the club will be liquidated. What is worrying most with respect to the financial problems is the apparent carelessness of the club's leaders. The club executive Adi Jahns was quoted as to say that during the season one had counted on Wittschier money as in the past and didn't pay attention to the costs running high beyond revenues.

    This way of running a club with a partly professional senior team is hilariuosly naive and unprofessional and although I don't doubt that the people involved are all passionate Zell hockey lovers a certain level of carefulness and expertise in managing a team and it's finances has to be expected. But obviously that wasn't the case. At the momen the future of hockey in one of the most beautiful Austrian alpine cities is highly endangered and no one knows if and how the sport can be continued under the Kaprun glacier.

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    In Zell there is slight hope that the club might avoid to be liquidated. According to the club's lawyer who manages the procedure raising 20% of the debt (about 40k Euro) which would be enough to reach a compulsory settlement that would allow the club to continue to exist is realistic.
    Today however another club declared its financial distress officially: KSV Icetigers (Kapfenberg, Styria) are struggling to avoid insolvency. Kapfenberg just as Zell is a hockeytown with a long history and KSV at least was an organisation which produced a number of noteworthy players (including the first Austrian NHL skater, Christoph Brandner). But the club has been in decline since years and news of organisatorical instability and a murky environment around the club's leadership have surfaced regularily. The city of Kapfenberg has recently granted KSV support of 80k Euro but as the debt is around 200k more money is needed to keep the club in operation. Whether this will be feasible or not is more than unclear.

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    It's now official,, Kapfenberg had to file for insolvency at court and will definitely not play in the upcoming Nationalliga season.
    There are however plans to save at least the junior department and to get a senior squad into tier 3 Oberliga.
    As a result of Kapfenberg's demise also local archrivals EV Zeltweg considers to cancel the Nationalliga participation. For Zeltweg and Kapfenberg the games against each other are drawing very well and contribute substantially towards the clubs revenues. Without these revenues Zeltweg apparently might not be able to get their budget financed although with ATSE Graz a third Styrian team is in the league.

    Losing Zell, Kapfenberg and Zeltweg would be an almost lethal blow for the league as Graz would be left as the only side from the east without any close rival and I could easily imagine if also Zeltweg pulls out that the league collapses totally.

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    It's now official,, Kapfenberg had to file for insolvency at court and will definitely not play in the upcoming Nationalliga season.
    There are however plans to save at least the junior department and to get a senior squad into tier 3 Oberliga.
    As a result of Kapfenberg's demise also local archrivals EV Zeltweg considers to cancel the Nationalliga participation. For Zeltweg and Kapfenberg the games against each other are drawing very well and contribute substantially towards the clubs revenues. Without these revenues Zeltweg apparently might not be able to get their budget financed although with ATSE Graz a third Styrian team is in the league.

    Losing Zell, Kapfenberg and Zeltweg would be an almost lethal blow for the league as Graz would be left as the only side from the east without any close rival and I could easily imagine that the league collapses totally in this case.

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    I read an article earlier today about speculations to include foreign teams into Nationalliga, so the league won't collapse. Is this a realistic plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElTres View Post
    I read an article earlier today about speculations to include foreign teams into Nationalliga, so the league won't collapse. Is this a realistic plan?
    This plan has surfaced a couple of times now since it became known that Zell and Kapfenberg are out. But nothing definite so far. The next meeting of the league's teams (those still left ;-) is if I'm not wrong scheduled for 4th of July. I guess we will know more then. Right now it's totally unclear how the league will look like.

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    Nationalliga had its decisive meeting today. Despite efforts in Zell am See to get a new team on track for Nationalliga the time has now run out and Zell won't take part in the league.
    Without Zell an attractive opponent lacks and the eastern teams Zeltweg and ATSE Graz are geographically isolated with the nearest opponent being the traditionally weak drawing Red Bull Salzburg farmteam. Nevertheless the two Styrian sides will compete in the league thus giving a 8 team set up. The format will have 2 home/away round robin series making up 28 games plus an additional home/away series between the teams of two geographically seperated groups (west: Feldkirch, Dornbirn, Lustenau, Bregenzerwald; east: Innsbruck, Salzburg II, Zeltweg, ATSE) featuring another 6 games. Interestingly the play-off positions will be determined by the ranking including all games which could bias the standings if the groups are not equally strong. All teams will reach the play-offs (bo5 in all stages).

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    Without ATSE and Innsbruck filling the void, this league would have been near collapse.

    Glad it survived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Without ATSE and Innsbruck filling the void, this league would have been near collapse.

    Glad it survived.
    The league was very, very close to the line...even with ATSE and Innsbruck. In the end it was all up to Zeltweg. Zeltweg is the archrival team of Kapfenberg and the games against them draw very well contributing substantially to the revenues. For Zell it is pretty much the same, it's one of the traditional powerhouses of the league that typically attracts a decent crowd. Missing these two opponents Zeltweg (just as ATSE) was left completely isolated with the bulk of the opponents 400km away (Vorarlberg). Zeltweg demanded including Slovenian teams first and contemplated retreat to Oberliga. If they had done so the league would have been stone dead as ATSE would have had no other chance than to drop out as well. In that case only 6 teams would have remeined one of them being the RBS II which typically draws bad on the road. That would not have been enough.

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    Austria's Nationalliga is apparently not getting out of trouble. 2 weeks ago the format of the league had been settled leaving Zell am See aside despite that a new club has been founded in Zell. The new club "Zeller Eisbären" is run by a completely different set of people who were according to their own statements far advanced in setting up a team to participate in Nationalliga. When finally the new club had to be registered at the relevant authority there was a little delay so that Zell could not take part in the league meeting on July 11th. In this meeting the 8 team setup, schedule and playing format were approved by the teams knowing about Zell's plans. When Zell finally had all formal requirements met the teams voted against including the Salzburg side (only RB Salzburg abstained). Reasons given for denying the long time member Zell delayed acceptance were already printed promotion flyers and the sale of season tickets for the 8 team format.
    The Austrian federation however pressured the teams to overthrow the decision against Zell demanding a new vote which again ended negative for Zell am See. Because of the federation not accepting the decision EV Zeltweg and ATSE Graz (the two lone eastern teams in the league) put up an ultimatum towards the federation to stop intervening and clarifying the situation. In the case of the federation not complying with the demand the two clubs stated to cease their Nationalliga participation and retreat to tier III Oberliga (which is also run by the national federation). The ultimatum expired yesterday and as no statement from the federation was issued Zeltweg president Weber told the the players that the contracts for Nationalliga are void and the club will only have a squad in Oberliga or if it was not allowed to play there in the tier 4 Styrian elite league which is run by the regional federation of Styria.

    So now the situation is completely out of control and it is hard to assess what is really going on. Zeltweg and ATSE have considered retreating from the league because of Zell (and Kapfenberg) a typically well drawing opponent having dropped out. Only a short time later the teams of the league vote against Zell knowing that process of building a new team there is well under way and now the Zeltweg and ATSE even pull out because of Zell being pushed by the federation? That makes little sense and for me it seems that they use the calamities about Zell as an excuse to abandon a ship in stormy seas. But even that is odd as both teams are widely considered to be strong contenders and especially newly promoted ATSE built a top team. Why investing a lot into the squad and then using a weak reason to drop out?
    The only plausible explanations left are that both teams expect not to be able to finance their teams in the current situation and now hit the emergeny stop button or a power struggle within the league and the federation over undisclosed issues.

    If however Zeltweg and ATSE should really retreat Nationalliga is at least reduced to a west league and local Vorarlberg province competition (4 teams) with participation from the Tyrol and Salzburg if not doomed. Oberliga instead could become the east league with teams from Salzburg, Upper Austria, Carinthia and Styria but both Zeltweg and ATSE Graz woul dhave to lay-off their best players as both teams with their current rosters are quite massively overqualified for the amateur Oberliga.

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    Austria's Nationalliga is apparently not getting out of trouble. 2 weeks ago the format of the league had been settled leaving Zell am See aside despite that a new club has been founded in Zell. The new club "Zeller Eisbären" is run by a completely different set of people who were according to their own statements far advanced in setting up a team to participate in Nationalliga. When finally the new club had to be registered at the relevant authority there was a little delay so that Zell could not take part in the league meeting on July 11th. In this meeting the 8 team setup, schedule and playing format were approved by the teams knowing about Zell's plans. When Zell finally had all formal requirements met the teams voted against including the Salzburg side (only RB Salzburg abstained). Reasons given for denying the long time member Zell delayed acceptance were already printed promotion flyers and the sale of season tickets for the 8 team format.
    The Austrian federation however pressured the teams to overthrow the decision against Zell demanding a new vote which again ended negative for Zell am See. Because of the federation not accepting the decision EV Zeltweg and ATSE Graz (the two lone eastern teams in the league) put up an ultimatum towards the federation to stop intervening and clarifying the situation. In the case of the federation not complying with the demand the two clubs stated to cease their Nationalliga participation and retreat to tier III Oberliga (which is also run by the national federation). The ultimatum expired yesterday and as no statement from the federation was issued Zeltweg president Weber told the the players that the contracts for Nationalliga are void and the club will only have a squad in Oberliga or if it was not allowed to play there in the tier 4 Styrian elite league which is run by the regional federation of Styria.

    So now the situation is completely out of control and it is hard to assess what is really going on. Zeltweg and ATSE have considered retreating from the league because of Zell (and Kapfenberg) a typically well drawing opponent having dropped out. Only a short time later the teams of the league vote against Zell knowing that process of building a new team there is well under way and now the Zeltweg and ATSE even pull out because of Zell being pushed by the federation? That makes little sense and for me it seems that they use the calamities about Zell as an excuse to abandon a ship in stormy seas. But even that is odd as both teams are widely considered to be strong contenders and especially newly promoted ATSE built a top team. Why investing a lot into the squad and then using a weak reason to drop out?
    The only plausible explanations left are that both teams expect not to be able to finance their teams in the current situation and now hit the emergeny stop button or a power struggle within the league and the federation over undisclosed issues.

    If however Zeltweg and ATSE should really retreat Nationalliga is at least reduced to a west league and local Vorarlberg province competition (4 teams) with participation from the Tyrol and Salzburg if not doomed. Oberliga instead could become the east league with teams from Salzburg, Upper Austria, Carinthia and Styria but both Zeltweg and ATSE Graz woul dhave to lay-off their best players as both teams with their current rosters are quite massively overqualified for the amateur Oberliga.

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    Did anyone think about splitting Nationalliga into eastern and western divisions with more games within individual division and single "east-west" visits in the course of the regular season?

    On the other level, how strong are the best Nationalliga teams compared to weakest EBEL teams? How do you think a league with five top Nationalliga teams and four top teams from Slovenian league would have looked like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
    Did anyone think about splitting Nationalliga into eastern and western divisions with more games within individual division and single "east-west" visits in the course of the regular season?

    On the other level, how strong are the best Nationalliga teams compared to weakest EBEL teams? How do you think a league with five top Nationalliga teams and four top teams from Slovenian league would have looked like?
    As at least three teams from the top five in Nationalliga is expected to arrive from Vorarlberg, it needs some careful planning. When I read the Nationalliga team signings, I had the impression that top teams should not be bad. Rex told always that NaLi is not that strong (as I expect), but who knows... I'd like to see a tournament between top NaLi, DPS and MOL Liga teams.

    It seems to me that your idea from some weeks ago about building a cooperation between DPS, MOL Liga, Pannonia Liga, and Nationalliga would really worth some serious thoughts. I know that distances are a real problem, but still...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
    Did anyone think about splitting Nationalliga into eastern and western divisions with more games within individual division and single "east-west" visits in the course of the regular season?

    On the other level, how strong are the best Nationalliga teams compared to weakest EBEL teams? How do you think a league with five top Nationalliga teams and four top teams from Slovenian league would have looked like?
    A (strange) kind of regional splitting was included for the originally planned 10 team setting (before Zell and Kaofenberg folded) and also for the 8 team setting agreed on 2 weeks ago.
    The format was to have a certain number of games against all other teams in the league (guess 2 resp. 4) plus a certain number of games against teams from the same (east resp. west) group. But the league table would not have been split such that only one ranking according to points won (as first tie breaker) of all teams regardless of the different set of opponents they face in the regional games would have resulted. This is odd (regional groups are differently strong...) but the clubs agreed on that formula.

    A true splitting into seperate divisions with some crossover games has afaik never been seriously discussed.

    NaLi strength:

    Basically NaLi used to be a quite balanced league except perennial underdogs Bregenzerwald and the late W-EV resp. Team Wien before Vienna ceased to have a team in the league.
    NaLi allows three imports per team which can be of reasonable quality especially in the bigger spending clubs (Zell, Dornbirn, Lustenau, Feldkirch), the top domestic players are usually guys that have retired from EBEL or simply didn't land a job there anymore and for instance the best Austrian scorers apart from uprising youngsters (who typically leave the league early if they are really worth something) are foremost guys that were fringe players in EBEL. The rest is local guys of typically moderate quality.
    With the exception of RBS II and very few other teams (Dornbirn, sometimes Zell) NaLi sides use to have little depth concentrating all their quality in the top two lines. Put together, I think even the strongest NaLi squads like Lustenau, Dornbirn, Zell, Feldkirch would be cannon fodder for even the very bottom EBEL teams as they simply couldn't match their speed: Feldkirch for instance relies heavily on two veteran defenders (Lampert and Strauss) who were dead slow already in their last EBEL seasons 5 years ago. In the meantime these guys surely didn't get quicker and EBEL surely not slower paced...
    RB Salzburg II is also a good indicator of the league's strength. Red Bulls II is essentially a junior squad consisting of good to very good (Austrian standard) players of their age plus some overagers who are typically on the fringe of the EBEL team or in case of the better ones just about to establish themselves as EBEL regulars. When the EBEL schedule allows Red Bull to send more of these guys down all other NaLi teams are prone to lose any given game.

    NaLi teams typically play their preseason against NLB Swiss first league, German Bundesliga and Oberliga resp. Italian A2 or Slovenian teams. Against NLB or Bundesliga sides they normally lose (occasional upsets possible) against the other leagues teams the records are quite even afaIr but I don't have the results at hand.

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    Update:

    ATSE Graz have just announced their "retreat" from Nationalliga on their website while the newspaper "Vorarlberger Nachrichten" writes about the league having 7 teams for next season.
    This means that in NaLi either Zeltweg did not pull out or Zell has been accepted instead of the Styrians (which is more likely).
    In that case NaLI is a pure western Austrian affair with Salzburg being the easternmost team. Zeltweg and ATSE will most likely lay-off their best players and try to compete in Oberliga. For ATSE this is no problem because they have already nominated a farmteam there which now might become their #1 squad. Zeltweg has however not entered a team in Oberliga and if the federation should retaliate against them they might just not let them compete. In this case the tier 4 Styrian Elite League is their next "best" option.

    Oberliga will gain strength by including Zeltweg and Graz because I suppose some of their best players will be signed by other teams of the league. Zeltweg and ATSE are surley attrctive opponents for the other sides and thus they might get a higher profile overall.
    In the long run this structure could get persistent which would make a countrywide second tier semi-pro league unfeasible for years to come. Well done Gentlemen!

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    This situation sadly remainds me on the chaotic situation in the British league system. What's the point of having two "All-Austrian" minor leagues without promotion/relegation system? If it weren't for non-Austrian members of EBEL, Austria would have had three mutualy independent leagues played across the country. I'd say it's about time for Federation to restart the entire system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
    This situation sadly remainds me on the chaotic situation in the British league system. What's the point of having two "All-Austrian" minor leagues without promotion/relegation system? If it weren't for non-Austrian members of EBEL, Austria would have had three mutualy independent leagues played across the country. I'd say it's about time for Federation to restart the entire system.
    I wouldn't compare the situation with Britain. There is a common element namely geography which apparently plays a huge role in British leagues but apart from that I believe that in contrast to Britain the Austrian "minor leagues" are clearly seperated in playing strength. Atleast this was the case in the last seasons after the reintroduction of Oberliga.

    NaLi is a true semi-pro league while Oberliga up to now was almost entirely amateur. With that respect the existence of the two leagues is for sure justified. Only now with all this chaos triggered by the problems in Zell and Kapfenberg Oberliga MIGHT get an alternative for Nationalliga for the stronger or more ambitious eastern teams. If Oberliga will develop this way is possible but not granted at all. On the lower end of Oberliga you have teams like Wels and Spar Oilers (from Salzburg) who had previously only played on tier 5 (Landesliga) level which is not far away from better rec hockey anymore. For these teams getting to Oberliga level is already something if now ATSE and Zeltweg start to push the league upward these teams might face big problems.

    But the problem with the federation is apparent. Oberliga was reintroduced two years ago as a common tier 3 league thought to replacing the various province based "Elite Leagues" ( Carinthia,Tyrol, Styria). But as these leagues especially the Tyrolean league worked pretty well locally Oberlige was not much more than the gathering pool for the few eastern teams with more ambition than just play on province level.

    Now the situation seems to be that all of the previous 8 Nali teams are against including Zell am See with only the federation backing them up. The Styrian teams protested by exit (the west emphasized league is not too attractive for them anyway) and the west teams by voice which got public today in an interview with Nali spokesman (and EHC Lustenau president) Werner Alfare (Vorarlberger Nachrichten). Alfare heavily attacked federation president Kalt for overruling the anti Zell decision of the teams saying that Kalt has no idea of the clubs problems of organizing their operations demanding more autonomy from the federation.

    So yes, this is to some extent a leadership problem But on the other hand its also a problem of diverging interests and the peculiar location of the teams. Not to speak of the bad management that had killed Kapfenberg and the old Zell club...

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    The question is why second and third tier leagues aren't open? What I don't understand why are there three closed competitions that all encompass teams from all over Austria if geography is an apparent problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
    The question is why second and third tier leagues aren't open? What I don't understand why are there three closed competitions that all encompass teams from all over Austria if geography is an apparent problem?
    Neither of the three leagues goverend by OEHV is closed. Oberliga is basically open for every team (subject to complying with the nomination and rink requirements of course) and the Oberliga champion has the right to play in Nationalliga. I also think that the Nationalliga champion theoretically has the right to promote to EBEL. Again this is subject to certain conditions being met - Bregenzerwald for instance could not get into EBEL even if they won NaLi as they have no indoor rink which is required for EBEL (they even participate in NaLi on the base of an exception that is extended yearwise) .

    Apart from this suitable teams might enter any league subject to approval by the federation and the other teams.
    ATSE for instance was accepted in NaLi even if they hadn't won Oberliga but doing so guaranteed them their spot which thy now chose not to use. Zell was denied by the other teams because they missed the deadline otherwise I think they would have been accepted although they did not have the right as the new Zell club has nothing to do wit hthe old EKZ. Technically the highest level they are guaranteed to begin would be Oberliga.

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    So, in theory everything should work, but in practice it looks like Federation has no control over the clubs participating in the competitions ran by the Federation. Imagine if football leagues looked like that? Last season there were eight teams in Nationalliga, but only four in the Oberliga although at the first glance one could assume that system should resemble a pyramide with the base wider than the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drax View Post
    So, in theory everything should work, but in practice it looks like Federation has no control over the clubs participating in the competitions ran by the Federation. Imagine if football leagues looked like that? Last season there were eight teams in Nationalliga, but only four in the Oberliga although at the first glance one could assume that system should resemble a pyramide with the base wider than the top.
    What I read on austrian forums suggests me that the eight clubs voted against the inclusion of Zell am See, but since Zell am See practically blackmailed the Federation saying "nationalliga or nothing", the Federation decided to let them in. I really don't understand how can it happen that a) the league is open, and run by the federation but the clubs have the right to accept a club or reject it; b) how can it happen that the clubs have the rigt to accept or reject a club but the Federation ignores the decision; c) how can a newly established club start icehockey in the highest level championship (organised by the Federation) without buying a license. I think Zell did not buy the license of the old Zell club since it would mean (at least for me) that they have to fulfill all the obligations and dues of the old club.

    In open championships, where there is a promotion/relegation system, it should not depend on the other clubs, whether a club which have earned the promotion, can play there or not.

    Of course, an other question is what can cause such a dramatic change with one additional team that would affect the season ticket sales, as it was used so often as an argument.

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    Listen guys, rules are one thing reality is another. As in other small hockey countries Austria only has a small number of clubs that are able to handle competitive hockey. Knowing this the single clubs, especially the stronger ones on the first 3 levels have quite some bargaining power. Vienna Capitals or Graz99ers for instance have threatened to leave EBEL on several occasions if certain demands they had were not met. It mostly works out.
    In the end its just a power struggle and the federation has a weak position, they need every single one of the clubs in EBEL, NaLi and Oberliga.
    Oberliga was a joke last season with only 4 teams. That doesn't mean that there are no more than those who play on this level but the west teams (Tyrol) just prefer to do their own thing, why should they travel to Styria or Vienna if they can have a 8 team competition just within the province?

    So basically the leagues are the clubs they decide what's going on and in general this is ok, because it's the clubs that have to pay things.The federation can of course act as a coordinating instution and mediator but apart from that it has little power. If the clubs don't want Zell (whether for good reasons or not) the federation basically can't do a thing because it doesn't pay players, organise games, train players etc...

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