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    Sweden LG Hockey Games, Stockholm, 5-8 February 2009



    LG HOCKEY GAMES
    Stockholm, 5-8 February 2009

    STANDINGS

       
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    1.Czech Republic
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    2.Finland
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    3.Russia
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    4.Sweden
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    GAME SUMMARIES

    5 February 2009


    Czech Republic - Finland
    18:00 at O2 Arena, Prague

    Russia - Sweden
    19:30 at Globen Stockholm


    7 February 2009

    Finland - Russia
    12:00 at Globen Stockholm

    Sweden - Czech Republic
    15:30 at Globen Stockholm

    8 February 2009

    Czech Republic - Russia
    12:00 at Globen Stockholm

    Sweden - Finland
    15:30 at Globen Stockholm




    ROSTERS

    - CZECH REPUBLIC
    Goaltenders: 1. Miroslav Kopriva (HC Kladno), 51. Lukas Mensator (HC Karlovy Vary)
    Defense: 3. Pavel Skrbek (Skellefteå, SWE), 23. Karel Rachunek (Dynamo Moscow, KHL), 83. Jan Platil (Traktor Chelyabinsk, KHL), 80. Zdenek Kutlak (HC Ambri-Piotta, SUI), 73. Angel Krstev (HC Vitkovice), 11. Michal Baranka (HC Vitkovice), 6.Ondrej Nemec (HC Karlovy Vary), 36. Petr Caslava (HC Pardubice)
    Forwards: 68. Jaromir Jagr (Avangard Omsk, KHL), 20. Jakub Klepis (Avangard Omsk, KHL), 15. Jan Marek (Metallurg Magnitogorsk, KHL), 60. Rolinek (Metallurg Magnitogorsk, KHL), 16. Petr Cajanek (Dynamo Moscow, KHL), 24. Zbynek Irgl (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, KHL), 12. Leos Cermak (Salavat Ufa, KHL), 17. Jaroslav Hlinka (Linköpings HC, SWE), 10. Roman Cervanka (Slavia Praha), 25. Jaroslav Bednar (Slavia Praha), 71. Tomas Netik (Sparta Praha), 19. Radim Vrbata (BK Mlada Boleslav), 34. Vaclav Skuhravy (HC Karlovy Vary)


    - FINLAND
    Goaltenders: 30. Liro Tarkki (SaiPa), 32. Teemu Lassila (HPK)
    Defense: 6 Topi Jaakola (Södertälje SK, SWE), 12. Markus Seikola (Ilves), 21. Janne Niskala (HC Frölunda, SWE), 27. Mikko Jokela (Jokerit), 33. Mikko Lehtonen (Timrå IK, SWE), 38. Teemu Aalto (Linköpings HC, SWE), 44. Janne Niinimaa (SCL Tigers, SUI).
    Forwards: 11. Toni Koivisto (Kärpät), 15. juha-Pekka Hytönen (JYP), 19. Marko Anttila (Ilves), 22. Tommi Santala (Kloten, SUI), 23. Riku Hahl (HC Frölunda, SWE), 24. Sami Kapanen (KalPa), 25. Jukka Hentunen (Ak Bars Kazan, KHL), 26. Jarkko Immonen (JYP), 28. Juha-Pekka Haataja (Lukko Rauma), 36. Jukka Voutilainen (HV71, SWE), 37. Mika Pyörälä (Timrå IK, SWE), 39. Niko Kapanen (Ak Bars Kazan, KHL), 42. Antti Laaksonen (Lukko Rauma)

    - RUSSIA
    Goaltenders: 84. Konstantin Barulin (CSKA, Moscow), 30. Aleksander Eremenko (Salavat Ufa)
    Defense:3. Vitaly Vishnevsky (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl), 5. Ilya Nikulin (Ak Bars Kazan), 6. Dmitri Vorobiev (Salavat Ufa), 7. Aleksander Guskov (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl), 22. Konstantin Korneev (CSKA Moscow), 28. Denis Kulyash (CSKA Moscow), 63. Maksim Kondratiev (CSKA Moscow), 74. Aleksander Emelin (Ak Bars Kazan).
    Forwards: 8. Aleksei Mikhnov (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl), 9. Aleksander Suglobov (CSKA Moscow), 10. Oleg Kvasha (Traktor Chelyabinsk), 13. Ivan Nepryaev (Dynamo Moscow), 21. Konstantin Gorovikov (SKA St. Petersburg), 23. Andrei Taratukhin (Salavat Ufa), , 24. Petr Schastlivy (CSKA Moscow), 27. Dimitri Afanasenkov (Dynamo Moscow), 37. Aleksandr Perezhogin (Salavat Ufa), 47. Aleksandr Radulov (Salavat Ufa), 39- Maksim Rybin (Spartak Moscow), 91. Oleg Saprykin (CSKA Moscow),

    - SWEDEN
    Goaltenders: 1. Stefan Liv (HV 71), 30. Johan Holmqvist (HC Frölunda)
    Defense: 2. Lars Jonsson (Brynäs IF), 3. Mattias Timander (MODO), 4. Johan Åkerman (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, KHL), 6. Magnus Johansson (Atlant Mytischy, KHL), 10. Marcus Ragnarsson (Djurgårdens IF), 28. Dick Tärnström (AIK, SWE-1), 29. Kenny Jönsson (Rögle BK), 44. Victor Hedman (MODO)
    Forwards: 9. Tony Mårtensson (Ak Bars Kazan, KHL), 12. Christian Berglund (SC Rapperswil-Jona, SUI), 14. Niklas Nordgren (SC Rapperswil-Jona, SUI), 15. Rickard Wallin (Färjestads BK), 16. Johan Andersson (Timrå IK), 17. Mathias Tjärnqvist (Rögle BK), 20. Martin Thörnberg (HV71), 23. Linus Omark (Luleå HF), 24. Johan Harju (Luleå HF),26. Marcus Nilsson (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, KHL), 41. Daniel Widing (Brynäs IF), 76. Johan Davidsson (HV71), 80. Mattias Weinhandl (Dynamo Moscow, KHL).


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    Finland Finland roster

    Goalies:
    30 Iiro Tarkki, SaiPa
    32 Teemu Lassila, HPK

    Defensemen:
    6 Topi Jaakola, Södertälje
    12 Markus Seikola, Ilves
    21 Janne Niskala, Frölunda
    27 Mikko Jokela, Jokerit
    33 Mikko Lehtonen, Timrå
    38 Teemu Aalto, Linköping
    44 Janne Niinimaa, Langnau

    Forwards:
    11 Toni Koivisto, Kärpät
    15 Juha-Pekka Hytönen, JYP
    19 Marko Anttila, Ilves
    22 Tommi Santala, Kloten
    23 Riku Hahl, Frölunda
    24 Sami Kapanen, KalPa
    25 Jukka Hentunen, AK Bars
    26 Jarkko Immonen, JYP
    28 Juha-Pekka Haataja, Lukko
    36 Jukka Voutilainen, HV71
    37 Mika Pyörälä, Timrå
    39 Niko Kapanen, AK Bars
    42 Antti Laaksonen, Lukko

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    Team Russia looks like this:

    Konstantin Barulin, ZSKA Moscow
    Aleksandr Eremenko, Salavat Yulajev Ufa

    Vitali Vishnevski, Lokomotiv Yaroslavl
    Aleksandr Guskov, Lokomotiv Yaroslavl
    Dimitri Vorobyev, Salavat Yulajev Ufa
    Aleksei Yemelin, Ak Bars Kazan
    Ilya Nikulin, Ak Bars Kazan
    Maxim Kondratyev, ZSKA Moscow
    Konstantin Korneyev, ZSKA Moscow
    Denis Kulyash, ZSKA Moscow

    Dimitri Afanasenkov, Dynamo Moscow
    Ivan Neprjayev, Dynamo Moscow
    Konstantin Gorovikov, SKA St. Petersburg
    Oleg Kvasha, Traktor Chelyabinsk
    Aleksei Mihnov, Lokomotiv Yaroslavl
    Aleksandr Perezhogin, Salavat Yulajev Ufa
    Aleksandr Radulov, Salavat Yulajev Ufa
    Andrei Taratuhin, Salavat Yulajev Ufa
    Maksim Rybin, Spartak Moscow
    Oleg Saprykin, ZSKA Moscow
    Aleksandr Suglobov, ZSKA Moscow
    Petr Schastlivy, ZSKA Moscow


    And a quick comment on Team Finland's D... if there's no NHLers coming over, all you have to do is replace Jaakola with Petteri Nummelin and you might as well be looking this spring's IHWC squad.
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    LG Hockey Games is going to be a treat with (most) of the very best players on the European continent.

    The Czech roster was announced today, and its simply the strongest since the NHL lockout season in 2004-05.

    The roster includes Jaromir Jagr and a score of other former NHL'ers playing in Russia, Sweden and the Czech Republic.

    The Czech roster is so strong that a number of reputable players have been scratched as subsitutes. These players include: Miroslav Blatak (Salavat Ufa, KHL), Martin Sevc (Färjestads BK, SWE), Josef Vasicek (Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, KHL), Pavel Brendl (Torpedo Nizhny-Novgorod, KHL), Vaclav Nedorost (Liberec), Petr Kumstat (HC Karlovy Vary) and Petr Hubacek (Neftekhimik, KHL).

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    The Russian roster also looks pretty cool.

    To bad though that Morozov, Zinoviev, Zaripov (i.e. no ZZM line), Sushinsky, Mozyakin, Proshkin and Yashin will be missing. They will likely return at Ceska Pojistovna Cup in April.

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    The usual explanation is probably the best what comes to the absence of certain Russian players, meaning it's more or less a tradition that you don't name the best players for all the tournaments...

    After all, we didn't see Jagr in earlier EHTs or Finland waited this long to ice Kapanen-Hentunen pair. It's time for Bykov to test other players.

    Oh, and by the way, the name of Finland's #30 GK is Iiro, not Liro. (Yes, that's an I, not a mistyped capital L).
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    Sweden have finaly put together a A-team in EHT. Most of the players in this team will play in the World Championship, I think 12-15 of them.

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    chances for the 1st spot IMHO

    1. RUS 29%
    2. CZE 28%
    3. SWE 22%
    4. FIN 21%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karsten View Post
    To bad though that Morozov, Zinoviev, Zaripov (i.e. no ZZM line), Sushinsky, Mozyakin, Proshkin and Yashin will be missing. They will likely return at Ceska Pojistovna Cup in April.
    That's true. I would add a few other names to the list of missing players. That team is pretty much experimental.

    Maxim Rybin. That would be his 1st international game.
    His skills much improved IN 08/09 SEASON
    Very fast and powerfull forward (much like Ovechkin or Getzlaf).

    When I watched his play I was thinking that he would be great for the national team.

    He can become one of the best players in team russia at EHT, World Champ and Vancuver Olimpics

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    Here we have some russian posters with very funny claims. First one guy tells us that Mozyakin and Koltsov are elite players of Datsyuk/Markov level.

    Now another guy tells us that Max Rybin playls like Getzlaf(ha-ha, Rybin is 5'9 midget) and will be one of the best russian players at Olympics(if Rybin will go to Vnacouver, Russia is in trouble).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Sweden have finaly put together a A-team in EHT. Most of the players in this team will play in the World Championship, I think 12-15 of them.
    No way man.

    15 of them will go to WC? Sweden is doomed then.)))

    Holmqvist, Gustavsson, K.Jonsson, Tarnstrom, M.Johansson, Mortensson, Weinhandl, Thornberg and Davidsson are likely to go there but others?

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    Swedes are notoriously lucky. They would be in the semis even if they iced a full team from Allsvenskan... (and I don't mean the hockey one.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darion View Post
    No way man.

    15 of them will go to WC? Sweden is doomed then.)))

    Holmqvist, Gustavsson, K.Jonsson, Tarnstrom, M.Johansson, Mortensson, Weinhandl, Thornberg and Davidsson are likely to go there but others?
    Yes if you look at the "Sweden teams" in NHL its not likley Tre Kronor will get so many players from North America. All Bengt-Åke can hope for is to get the best from Europe and 5-6 good players from NHL.

    The team Sweden will ice in LG-Hockey Games are good enougth to go to the semifinals in IHWC like the team from 2007, in 2007 in Riga sweden had only one player from NHL.

    I think Sweden will do well in Switzerland whit out its best NHL-players but its not likely Sweden will go to the final. I cant see any Sweden stars from NHL in this years championship. I dont think Alfredsson will go, maybe if Vancouver miss the SC, but only maybe it can be like last year a lot of no thanks....so if the Swedes in Vancouver joins sweden can be a contender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    2007 in Riga
    Nitpicking, but 2007 games were held in Moscow. 2006 IHWC was held in Riga.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darion View Post
    Here we have some russian posters with very funny claims. First one guy tells us that Mozyakin and Koltsov are elite players of Datsyuk/Markov level.
    Datsyuk/Markov elite level? They are good but there is nothing special about them both,

    I rate them (in comparision with others in rus national team):
    Datsuk is slightly lower than average 4.5
    Markov 6.0
    Koltsov 4.0
    Mozyakin 6.5 (khl #1 in goal+pass list)

    I doubt that Datsyuk would go to Vancouver (lots of strong players to choose from).

    If Kovalev, Yashin, mihnov (in 2008) and zherdev (in 2007) were not picked thouh they were available and wanted to play at WHC datsyuk is likely not to be selected into olimpic team too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laho View Post
    Nitpicking, but 2007 games were held in Moscow. 2006 IHWC was held in Riga.
    I was tierd, Moscow of course but i got the year right.

    Its a bit sad Bengt-Åke have so big problem to get the best players on the team. This year he must be hard on the no sayers. If a player say no to the championship Bengt-Åke must say no to the player in the Olympics.

    Last year and the year before was a shame for Sweden hockey. only 5 years ago all the best sweden players outside the SC showed up to the World Championship nowdays even top players from SEL say no to play for the team. Its not good at all. Its looks like most, not all but most of the Sweden top players only want to be a part of Tre Kronor in the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kol View Post
    Datsyuk/Markov elite level? They are good but there is nothing special about them both,

    I rate them (in comparision with others in rus national team):
    Datsuk is slightly lower than average 4.5
    Markov 6.0
    Koltsov 4.0
    Mozyakin 6.5 (khl #1 in goal+pass list)

    I doubt that Datsyuk would go to Vancouver (lots of strong players to choose from).

    If Kovalev, Yashin, mihnov (in 2008) and zherdev (in 2007) were not picked thouh they were available and wanted to play at WHC datsyuk is likely not to be selected into olimpic team too
    You must be joking or we are not talking about the same player. Right now Datsyuk is easily the #3 Russian forward just behind Malkin and Ovechkin.
    Aqua jacta est

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    Quote Originally Posted by pihinalle View Post
    You must be joking or we are not talking about the same player. Right now Datsyuk is easily the #3 Russian forward just behind Malkin and Ovechkin.
    But won't likely play in this year's IHWC, so it's standard argumentation.

    Let's not be surprised when some of these kids try to pronounce their preferred team's superiority by dissing the players who won't be available in the next major tournament. (And consequently have hearty laughs at these turncoats, when they claim them as best ever when they're picked for the Olympics).
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    changes in Russia roster:

    Out:
    Dmitri Vorobiev (D) Salavat
    Konstantin Gorovikov (F) SKA St. Petersburg

    In:
    Alexei Zhitnik (D) Dynamo Moscow
    Alexei Badyukov (F) Ak Bars Kazan

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    Sweden replacements:

    Goaltender Stefan Liv (HV71) replaces Jonas Gustavsson (Färjestads)

    Forward Johan Harju (Luleå) replaces Mikael Håkansson (Linköpings). Also, Linus Omark (Luleå) gets the roster spot that was reserved for Peter Forsberg.

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    Bad news for the Czech team:

    Jaromir Jagr will not after all participate in LG Hockey games (illness). His team mate at Avangard, Jakub Klepis is also out. Liberec's striker, Vaclav Nedorost has been called in.

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    changes in Finland roster

    Out:
    Juha-Pekka Hytönen (F) JYP
    Sami Kapanen (F) KalPa
    Teemu Aalto (D) Linköping

    In:
    Leo Komarov (F) Pelicans
    Teemu Laine (F) HV71
    Olli Malmivaara (D) JYP

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    With Jaromir Jagr, Peter Forsberg and Sami Kapanen all out the tournament has suddenly become a lot less interesting. Too bad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kol View Post
    Datsyuk/Markov elite level? They are good but there is nothing special about them both,

    I rate them (in comparision with others in rus national team):
    Datsuk is slightly lower than average 4.5
    Markov 6.0
    Koltsov 4.0
    Mozyakin 6.5 (khl #1 in goal+pass list)

    I doubt that Datsyuk would go to Vancouver (lots of strong players to choose from).

    If Kovalev, Yashin, mihnov (in 2008) and zherdev (in 2007) were not picked thouh they were available and wanted to play at WHC datsyuk is likely not to be selected into olimpic team too
    Haha, hilarious. I don't think it's even needed to argue, either you have some weird sense of humour or you don't know anything about hockey.

    Datsyuk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>Mozyakin
    Not even close.

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    Datsyuk are one of the absolut top of the pops players of the world. His preformence in the last years SC says its all, if I have to to pick between Datsuy and Malkin I have pick Datsyuk ten times of ten. A good player are good in the regular season a top of the pops player are at his top in the playoffs. Datsyuk are a championship player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kol View Post
    Datsyuk/Markov elite level? They are good but there is nothing special about them both,

    I rate them (in comparision with others in rus national team):
    Datsuk is slightly lower than average 4.5
    Markov 6.0
    Koltsov 4.0
    Mozyakin 6.5 (khl #1 in goal+pass list)

    I doubt that Datsyuk would go to Vancouver (lots of strong players to choose from).

    If Kovalev, Yashin, mihnov (in 2008) and zherdev (in 2007) were not picked thouh they were available and wanted to play at WHC datsyuk is likely not to be selected into olimpic team too
    What planet are you from man? Datsyuk might just be the best center in the World right now, while Markov is a trully great D-man. I like Mozyakin and Koltsov too, they are world-class players, but you statement is at least hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightmare View Post
    What planet are you from man? Datsyuk might just be the best center in the World right now, while Markov is a trully great D-man. I like Mozyakin and Koltsov too, they are world-class players, but you statement is at least hilarious.
    at max datsyuk can hope for (if that matters for him) in a national team is to be an extra guy for the 3 or 4 line


    He is aprox of the same level as ska's brylin and zuzin (slightly better). They were never chosen into the eht-team btw.

    Loss of Ovechkin was a big for khl. Trade of datsyuk was a routine in/out-flow of players. He was absolutely mediocre palyer of his team. He played in rus-2/3 leagues for 4 years (till age 22). Datsyuk became good enough for khl at age 22 mozyakin at 19

    * GGP/PPG = goals/points per game

    datsuk:
    2000-01 Kazan Ak-Bars GPG = 0.21 PPG = 0.61 (age 22)
    2004-05 Moscow Dynamo GPG = 0.33 PPG = 0.85

    mozyakin
    2003-04 CSKA Moscow GPG = 0.46 PPG = 0.89 (age 22)
    . . .every year he scores more and more and

    2008-09 Mytishchi Atlant GPG = 0.57 PPG = 1.37

    Stats shows who is better of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by kol View Post
    Stats shows who is better of them
    So, you say that Mozyakin is a more accomplished player because his stats at certain age are better than Datsyuk's? Got some bad news for you, kid, as that's called cherry-picking. And unfortunately things don't work that way in the real world.

    Pavel Datsyuk:
    2005-06 Detroit Red Wings 75 GP 0.37 GPG 1.16 PGP +/- +26
    2006-07 Detroit Red Wings 79 GP 0.34 GPG 1.10 PGP +/- +36
    2007-08 Detroit Red wings 82 GP 0.37 GPG 1.18 PGP +/- +41
    2008-09 Detroit Red Wings 49 GP 0.38 GPG 1.20 PGP +/- +24

    Sergei Mozyakin:
    2005-06 CSKA Moscow 51 GP 0.39 GPG 1.00 PGP +/- +20
    2006-07 Khimik Mytischy 54 GP 0.50 GPG 1.11 PGP +/- +3
    2007-08 Khimik Mytischy 57 GP 0.65 GPG 1.18 PGP +/- +17
    2008-09 Atlant Mytischy 49 GP 0.61 GPG 1.40 PGP +/- +30

    As fair comparison (or as fair as it gets) shows, there really is no major differences between these two guys. PGP is pretty similar. Sure, the amount of goals Mozyakin racks up is quite impressive, but Datsyuk's defensive skills more than make that up as his insane +/- record shows. But Ice hockey is a goal-scoring game of course...

    Quote Originally Posted by kol View Post
    at max datsyuk can hope for (if that matters for him) in a national team is to be an extra guy for the 3 or 4 line
    But as we all know (barring few obvious exceptions), there are different positions in a hockey team. Mozyakin is very obviously a winger and a sniper, whereas Datsyuk is more of a playmaking center. So instead of comparing apples to oranges, let's check out how Datsyuk compares to other high-profile Russian centers.

    Alexei Yashin:
    2005-06: New York Islanders 82 GP 0.34 GPG 0.80 PGP +/- -14
    2006-07: New York Islanders 58 GP 0.31 GPG 0.86 PGP +/- +6
    2007-08: Lokomotiv Yaroslav 56 GP 0.28 GPG 0.70 PGP +/- +10
    2008-09: Lokomotiv Yaroslav 49 GP 0.36 GPG 0.82 PGP +/- +6

    Evgeni Malkin:
    2005-06 Metallurg Magnitogorsk 46 GP 0.46 GPG 1.02 PGP +/- +28
    2006-07 Pittsburgh Penguins 78 GP 0.42 GPG 1.09 PGP +/- +2
    2007-08 Pittsburgh Penguins 82 GP 0.57 GPG 1.29 PGP +/- +16
    2008-09 Pittsburgh Penguins 52 GP 0.42 GPG 1.46 PGP +/- +16

    Sergei Zinovjev:
    2005-06 AK Bars Kazan 43 GP 0.34 GPG 0.90 PGP +/- +15
    2006-07 AK Bars Kazan 41 GP 0.46 GPG 1.29 PGP +/- +25
    2007-08 AK Bars Kazan 37 GP 0.24 GPG 0.81 PGP +/- +6
    2008-09 AK Bars Kazan 10 GP 0.10 GPG 0.20 PGP +/- +3

    Sergei Fedorov:
    2005-06 Columbus Blue Jackets 62 GP 0.19 GPG 0.69 PGP +/- -1
    2006-07 Columbus Blue Jackets 73 GP 0.24 GPG 0.58 PGP +/- -7
    2007-08 Columbus Blue Jackets 50 GP 0.18 GPG 0.56 PGP +/- -2
    2008-09 Washington Capitals 25 GP 0.20 GPG 0.72 PGP +/- +7

    I apologize if I left some obvious name out of the comparison, but as we can see, only Malkin is really able to give Datsyuk a run for his money.

    So, if someone in here still claims that Datsyuk wouldn't be top-line material when available for the Russian NT, I have only one humble request... please tell me where you get your 'shrooms. I've been looking for some quality stuff for quite a while now.
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    Alert European '2000-th CLASSICS...

    Here we go: RISSIA- SWEDEN LIVE! http://www.1tv.ru/itv/ch4 There's just one problem, it's in Russian... :)
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    My mobile phone wake me up after night shift-4 hours of sleep should be enough. I missed first two periods of Cze-Fin match and saw just turning from 3-2 Cze lead to 3-5 Fin win. So only 3 Fin goals. Could that day get any worse? DAMN
    Have you tried turning it off and on again?
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    russia played terrible against sweden, too many penalties, hopefully this not continue, otherwise forget winning world championship.

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    Alert No congrats for Sweden.

    Rus-Swe-3:4. I would rather congrat Russia, it was all against us. Not saying a word about that finnish ref, he's hella the guy of fair and justice of course, though I'd prefer to watch this game with real pro referee, say Canadian, so that both team chances will be equal. Take it up, yesterday some wistles and missed wistles - it looks like comedy, especially 4rd Swe score. "Letta guys play, you .."- was in my head,.. then I just laughed at him.

    But its ok, morally I do think we've not lost at least.

    Long life Scandinavium solidarity

    To be fair, I like the way that team Sweden playing. This time it could be real tough game, but thouse refs spoiled the rythm and so on.
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    Change to Finland roster

    out:
    Antti Laaksonen (F) Lukko (injured)

    in:
    Kristian Kuusela (F) Kärpät

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    Most of the game Tre Kronor was one number to big for Russia. This team are the Sweden World championship team, I think only five at most six players will join from the NHL. Dream players are Alfredsson, Huselius, Berglund, Modin and Enström.

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    Andy,

    How can it be 'Scandinavium solidarity' when the game was played in Globen?
    ...or if you mean 'Scandinavian solidarity', how so when there were Finnish refs, since Finland don't belong to Scandinavia?

    J/k, I see what you mean, but I think it is an unfair comment. There's always at least 3 ways to watch a hockey game, one for the home team and one for the away team and one objective neutral, and none of you and me fits in the third category. Anyway, I think the refs were poor indeed, but both teams suffered from that. For us the most blatant proof of that was the endgame 5-3 PP you got as a 'present' from the refs, that could have meant a highly undeserved equalize. Otherwise I wouldn't have mind some more Russian penalties as I think you started to play rather dirty with sticks in the face and whatnot, which I must say are not what one are used to see from a Russian NT.

    Still all that aside I think it was an entertaining game and I must say I liked the way the Russian team started to throw some bodychecks which our guys didn't really expect, and unfortunately not what our dear 'Bengan' did either. It took a long time for him to realize what was happening and it could have cost the game. A nice and 'awake' tactics by Bykov. Though when we also started to play more physical the momentum switched again imho.

    Btw, I'm sure we will see some usual 'Panslavic solidarity' anytime soon, so don't worry.

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    Stefan,

    You got me right. Finnish refs're mortal final factor for many years to Russia in many competitions.

    Anyway, emotions flowed away now and I have to admit many points of your posting sounds fair enough.
    By the way, take a look at yours 4rd by Weinhandle - it was 2 SWE penalties just before it at least, don't you think so?

    Oh, by the way I'd love to know some neutral opinions. Thats gonna be interesting.

    Hmm, donna why I treat Den, Nor, Swe and Fin as Scan states, however thats not quite correct geographically.

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    Andy,

    I wouldn't say we have that much of an advantage having Finnish refs. Though I might be biased about it but it is nothing I really have experienced. As you may know the majority of the Finns usually takes great pleasure whenever we lose, be it as it may a certain 'love-hate' relationship. Besides, I'm of the mind that Finnish refs are usually professional and well educated as a rule.

    I don't know if I agree with you on the Swedish 4th goal. As I see it (though I can't say I remember the whole situation) the Russians got a bit overheated or hotheaded when forechecking and they simply misjudged the situation and it became a 4 on 1. One of the Russians tried to tackle the Swede and missed and made a fall, otherwise I can't see anything suspicious. Look here from around 1:05 and forward: http://svt.se/svt/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?...rubrik_1434002

    When you calm your emotions you may or may not revise your thoughts and perhaps agree that we won fairly.
    Any which way I wish you the best of luck in the remaining games.

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    Even if there is some kind of "Nordic solidarity" between Sweden and Finland, that most definitely doesn't concern ice hockey. On that field, Sweden and Finland are the feisty rivals with a twisted love-hate relationship and I couldn't imagine a single Finn wishing to hand out a free victory in a hockey game to our dear neighbors no matter who they play.

    While I have to agree with Stefan that Finnish refs are renowned for their impartiality when officiating (yes, even when it's Sweden playing) it doesn't however mean that there couldn't have been foul play with the reffing.

    Guess what I mean to say is that if there was something funny with this particular zebra, it was due to his personality, not his nationality.
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    Stefan,

    Sure I know this love&hate rival SWE vs FIN. RUS vs CAN is a kind of I dare say.
    Ok let me say it this way: FINs ref always means "NO MERCY" for RUS team. We Russians have reasons to treat them so. Fredriksson (am I right with the name?) still most popular FIN ref over here. Guess why:-)

    As for better team.. hmm.. Sweden wins so there is nothing to be discussing about. Fast and strong start, pressure, teamplay and .. some new tricks I still cannot get right, non-Swedish:-) if I may so. Some new by Gustafsson?

    Though I still feel kind of a pity cause it could be another game(more attractive) and another(maybe maybe not) end-up with professional referee.
    And please do not forget, its hardly from that RUS team for real one stays a couple of guys, say Radulov and one for defence.

    However Sweden ( and Gustafsson) shows its usual class at last. Welcome back right on time. Congrats Sweden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy View Post
    Fredriksson
    If you are referring to a certain IHWC semifinal, the name is Henriksson. And yeah, I felt sorry for you.

    And while we're at the topic, I recall Finns having beef with several refs of several nationalities For example, the hate list includes a Canadian (Dell), a Czech (Sindler) and a Swede (Vinnerborg)... multiculturality FTW!
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    Andy, I'm not going to contest your experiences with bad refs, but as Laho says it's all about individuals not nationalities. Besides, that 'Henriksson' would, according to the name at least, be of old Swedish origin...

    Oh yes, Laho, Sindler...memories memories...

    Well the new tricks you refer to, Andy, might be the one I (quite intentionally ) showed you if you looked at the video link, just before the SWE 4th goal. Linus Omark doing some little trick, though the goalie wasn't fooled. Omark and Harju, both from Luleå, are new additions that Bengt-Åke in the last minutes decided to bring along. Mainly only because Foppa (travesty) said no and he had one more open spot to fill. I hope they can make a mark good enough to stay in the NT squad all season long, but I doubt it. Being in top of the Swedish Elitserien scoring is not really enough if you're from the far north...

    Yes I know you will most certainly field a much stronger Russian squad later on. Maxim Rybin looked like a nice new addition though, he made a class goal when he first tackled Ragnarsson (who looked like he couldn't believe someone would do that to him) and then positioned himself infront of the goal and got the puck.

    Anyway, we needed to beat you guys since you had what? 6-7 winning games in a row against us. Nice win, good for tribe.

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    Oh, thanks for your correction, Laho. Guy with a nice Swedish name Henriksson.

    By the way, I predict a loss for Russia today. Gonna be battle with a lack of constructivism. But seems Bykov aimed that roster to check 'em in such way of a game. Not our style really..

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    Stefan,
    I've noted that Linus Omark allright, smart guy with twistin' hands.
    As for new - Barulin said he didn't get first two goals, been watchin' video to get how's that happen.
    There's something still the same, at the same time. I mean old big and not very fast defenders.

    Thanks for your video, however I aint changed my mind.

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    4 : 0 Nice score. I like it

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    Guys, I mean FINs - calm down, leave some strength for tomorrow rival

    Second-hand RUS NT, now I see that so clear. 9 players from Bykov's Cska(#8 in KHL).

    Rybin, Michnov, who else, maybe Radulov worth to see, though others today

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    Thats it - 5 minutes later.. 3:4. Get rest guys:-)

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    Second hand indeed, but somehow they tied it up. Let's see if a win isn't to much.
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    It aint over till its over.
    The mistake of FIN was they should not make RUS angry, so easy overplayed them and bang! Evil Russian Bear woke up.

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    After this game, we can at least stop the "Nordic solidarity reffing" bull...
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    what a f has happened there? I stoped watching after 4 : 0 and it's ended 4 : 5. What a bad giveaway for Finland.

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