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    Montreal USSR vs Montréal Jr. Canadiens, 15.12.1965

    On its Canadian tour in December 1965, the red machine played a against Montreal Junior Canadiens.

    The game which was played in front of a capacity crowd at Montreal Forum on 15 December 1965.

    When I scanned the internet (both Canadian and Russian sites) I found that very little has been written about this game. This is a bid odd since the game is in fact one of the defining moments in the history of international hockey:

    It was the first time in history that USSR played against NHL players!

    Montreal Junior Canadiens were enforced with 5 players from the Montreal Canadiens of NHL. In addition, Jacques Plante was the goaltender of the Canadian team. Plante had just resigned from his NHL career (he later resumed it), but Scotty Bowman talked him into play the game, after having sorted things out with NY Rangers that owned Jacques Plante's rights.

    The Russians dominated the game, but Jacques Plante was steller and arguably played one of the best games in his career, and led the Canadiens to a 2-1 victory (USSR's lone goal was scored by defenseman, Vladimir Brezhnev)

    In 1981, Jacques Plante said that the game vs USSR was the most memorable of his career. if he had known beforehand how busy he would be that night, he would have thought twice before agreeing to play the game.

    Despite their loss, the Russians played extremely well, but they just could handle Plante, who was the clear 1st star of the night. USSR's head coach, Anatoly Tarasov said that Jacques Plante was the best goaltender he had ever seen.

    Later, Tarasov also revealed that the game vs Montreal Canadiens jr. was a defining moment in USSR's hockey history. It was after that game, partly played against professionals of NHL's very best franchise that the Russians started in earnest to look ahead to the day where they could defeat the best of Canada's NHL'ers.

    According to Tarasov, the game taught USSR that they had more or less reached parity in nearly all aspects of the game except goaltending. But USSR's encounter with Jacques Plante delayed a showdown because Tarasov naively believed that all goaltenders of the NHL had the same standard as Jacques Plante.*) This view was probably reinforced by the fact that USSR had played several times against Seth Martin, another brilliant goaltender who only had amateur status.

    Before USSR could take on the NHL'ers, the team had to improve its goaltending considerably. In the following years, Tarasov invested considerable time and resources to this purpose, and as the head coach of CSKA Moscow he soon discovered a young kid who had the talent, mentality and work ethics to lift the burden: Vladislav Tretiak.

    *) Anatoly Tarasov, “Khokkei griadushchego,” SDKA sportivnoe obozrenie No. l(l980): 30.

    If any of you have more info on the game, in particular game summary, lineups and press clippings, I would be delighted if you'll post it here.
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    Before USSR could take on the NHL'ers, the team had to improve its goaltending considerably. In the following years, Tarasov invested considerable time and resources to this purpose, and as the head coach of CSKA Moscow he soon discovered a young kid who had the talent, mentality and work ethics to lift the burden: Vladislav Tretiak.
    Tarasov discovered Tretiak and 1967 (1 1/2 year after the game in Montreal). Tretiak had just turned 15 and made it to the youth team. When they met the first time, Tarasov looked at Tretiak as though he was studying a horse. Then he said: "Semi-finished product will do. If you survive: great; if you don't, I'm sorry!".

    Tretiak recently said that he'll rememer this conversation the rest of his live. As a coach, Tarasov was 10 times tougher than Tikhonov. But fortunately, Tarasov also had a human and fatherly side.

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    I found an account of the game here from the book Jacques Plante: Behind The Mask:
    http://books.google.ca/books?id=ex8y...um=1#PPA146,M1
    I also found this information on another message board:
    The game was played on December 15, 1965, at the Montreal Forum,
    before 14,981. Montreal won, 2-1.

    Another ringer in the Junior Canadiens' lineup was Norm Dennis of the
    Habs' CPHL farm team, the Houston Apollos, who scored the winning goal.

    The Soviets had defeated the Canadian National Team in London,
    Ontario, on the 10th, and in Quebec City on the 12th. On the 14th
    they beat the OHA Junior All-Stars at Maple Leaf Gardens. They landed
    in Toronto on December 9, having flown from Sweden, where they
    defeated the Swedish nationals three straight. According to Raymond
    Plante in Jacques Plante: Behind the Mask, the scores were 4-0 in
    London and 8-6 in Quebec.

    According to Andy O'Brien's book about Jacques Plante, the CAHA and
    the Soviet federation agreed that six professionals would be allowed
    to play in the game. The same format had been followed in 1964, when
    the Junior Canadiens used Gump Worsley, Doug Harvey, Red Berenson,
    Léon Rochefort, Bill Sutherland and John Hanna of the AHL's Quebec
    Aces, and lost 3-2.

    According to Raymond Plante, the 1965 ringers, in addition to Dennis,
    were Noël PIcard, Jean Gauthier, Bill Inglis and André Boudrias. It
    was coach Scotty Bowman's idea to approach Plante.

    Plante was working as a sales rep for the Molson brewery at the time.
    Since retiring from the Rangers, he'd played some oldtimers' matches.

    Among the Junior Canadiens' regulars: Larry Pleau, Serge Savard,
    Carol Vadnais, Christian Bordeleau, Jacques Lemaire.

    Following is not a complete roster for the Soviets, but these are
    players mentioned in O'Brien and Plante's books, as well as
    contemporary accounts of games: Viktor Zinger was the Soviet goalie;
    skaters included Alexander Almetov, Victor Polupanov, Veniamin
    Alexandrov, Vladimir Brezhnev, Alexander Ragulin, Vyacheslav
    Starshinov, Vladimir Vikulov, Anatoli Firsov, Boris Mayorov, Igor
    Romishevsky, Konstantin Loktev, Anatoly Ionov.

    Tarasov and Chernichov were behind the Soviet bench.

    On December 17, the Soviets were in Winnipeg to beat the Canadian
    nationals, 6-2. On the 20th, in Victoria, the Canadians won 6-1. On
    the 21st, the Soviets beat the Regina Caps senior team 11-2.
    Essentially, then, the Soviets played a mix of junior and senior
    teams over the course of their tour. I don't imagine the inclusion of
    pros in the Jr. Canadiens' roster was a major point of negotiation.
    http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/52001

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    thanks, bekayne. Among the players named, Jean Gauthier was the only regular NHL'er (besides Plante). Would still like to see the full Habs lineup. Think I have the USSR lineup somewhere and should be able to find the game summary in Soviet news archives. Otherwise, I'll contact a person who probably got the info.

    Btw. I think that USSR only played SWE twice before coming to Canada.

    5 Dec 1965, Stockholm, SWE-USSR 2-3 (0-3, 2-0, 0-0)
    7 Dec 1965, Gothenburg, SWE-USSR 1-7 (1-1, 0-5, 0-1)

    SWE played CZE in Prague twice a few days within.

    USSR's Canada tour 1965:

    10 Dec 1965, London, CAN-USSR 0-4 (0-0, 0-3, 0-1)
    12 Dec 1965, Quebec, CAN-USSR 6-8 (1-1, 3-4, 2-3)
    15 Dec, 1965, Montreal, Montreal Jr. Canadiens - USSR 2-1
    17 Dec 1965, Winnipeg, CAN-USSR 2-6 (2-3, 0-3, 0-0)
    20 Dec 1965, Victoria, CAN - USSR 6-1 (0-0, 3-0, 3-1)
    23 Dec 1965, Winnipeg, CAN-USSR 1-4 (0-3, 0-1, 0-0)

    USSR then travelled to Colorado Springs to play the Walter Brown Memorial (27-31 Dec 1965)
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    Following is not a complete roster for the Soviets, but these are
    players mentioned in O'Brien and Plante's books, as well as
    contemporary accounts of games: Viktor Zinger was the Soviet goalie;
    skaters included Alexander Almetov, Victor Polupanov, Veniamin
    Alexandrov, Vladimir Brezhnev, Alexander Ragulin, Vyacheslav
    Starshinov, Vladimir Vikulov, Anatoli Firsov, Boris Mayorov, Igor
    Romishevsky, Konstantin Loktev, Anatoly Ionov.
    Some players missing.

    Think it looked like this:

    Zinger (Konovalenko); Kuzkin, Davydov - Ragulin, Brezhnev - Zaitsev, Romishevsky; Vikulov, Polupanov, Firsov - Aleksandrov, Starshinov, Mayorov - Striganov, Yurzinov, V. Yakushev - Loktev, Almetov, Ionov.

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    Hey guys, here's the account of the match from a Canadian
    Press dispatch.

    15 December 1965 (Wednesday)

    RUSSIA
    Goal: Zinger (Konovalenko)
    Defense:
    Ragulin, Kuzkin, Brezhnev, Zaitsev, Romishevsky, Davydov
    Forwards:
    Loktev, Almetov, Alexandrov, Starshinov, Mayorov, Firsov,
    Polupanov, Vikulov, Striganov, Yakushev

    JUNIOR CANADIENS
    Goal: Jacques Plante
    Defense:
    Jean Gauthier, Serge Savard, Noel Picard, Carol Vadnais
    Forwards:
    Larry Pleau, Andre Boudrias, Chris Bordeleau, Norm Dennis,
    Michel Lapalme, Don Liesemer, Bill Inglis, Norm Ferguson,
    Lucien Grenier, Robin Burns, Jacques Lemaire

    FIRST PERIOD
    Scoring - none

    PENALTIES
    RUS 06.30 Ragulin
    CAN 07.13 Gauthier
    CAN 09.03 Picard
    RUS 11.23 Ragulin
    RUS 13.55 Zaitsev
    CAN 18.03 Boudrias

    SECOND PERIOD
    1. RUS 09.04 Brezhnev (Firsov) *PP

    PENALTIES
    RUS 05.35 Polupanov
    CAN 08.27 Picard (cross-checking)
    RUS 12.32 Polupanov

    THIRD PERIOD
    2. CAN 07.42 Pleau (Ferguson)
    3. CAN 19.31 Dennis (Inglis, Boudrias)

    PENALTIES
    RUS 02.50 Romishevsky (holding)
    RUS 04.02 Ragulin
    RUS 13.35 Vikulov

    SHOTS ON GOAL
    Russians............13...6...7.....26
    Junior Canadiens.....8...7...8.....23

    By The Canadian Press

    Junior Habs upset Russians 2-1;
    Plante's netminding big factor in win over touring team

    MONTREAL, December 15 -- Montreal junior Canadiens, backed
    by the capable goaltending of long-time professional Jacques
    Plante, handed the touring Russian National hockey team the
    first defeat of its current Canadian tour tonight by a 2-1
    score.

    The winning goal was scored by Norm Dennis, with only 29
    seconds left in the game. Dennis was up from Houston Apollos
    of the Central Professional Hockey League for the game.

    The Russian loss came on the heels of two victories, 4-0 and
    8-6, over Canada's National team and a 4-3 win over the
    Ontario Hockey Association All-Stars in Toronto Tuesday night.

    The visitors appeared headed for another win as they made a
    second-period marker by defenseman Vladimir Brezhnev stand up
    until the 7:42 mark of the third period when Larry Pleau
    netted Norm Ferguson's goal-mouth pass to even the score.

    The game was a wide open affair with both clubs taking turns
    applying the pressure.

    The Junior Canadiens of the OHA were bolstered for the match
    by the addition of former National League netminder Plante
    and defensemen Noel Picard and Jean Gauthier, and forwards
    Andre Boudrias, Norm Dennis and Bill Inglis from Houston
    Apollos of the Central pro league.

    Had it not been for the work of Plante in the Montreal nets
    during the first period, the game would have developed into
    a one-sided affair.

    The Russians outshot the OHA entry, 26-23, but in the first
    period outfired the Canadiens 13-8.

    Canadiens' coach Scotty Bowman opened with his all-pro
    lineup and for the first minute they appeared to have the
    visitors stymied.

    However, Plante was forced to come up with the big save on
    Igor Romishevsky just before the two-minute mark, after
    Andre Boudrias had missed the net twice from close in for
    the home club.

    Plante continued to turn back the Russians in the first
    period after Gauthier picked up a penalty at the 7:13 mark
    and was joined by Picard at 9:03.

    Picard was then banished for cross-checking with 8:27
    elapsed in the second period and it was just 37 seconds
    later that Brezhnev put the puck past Plante.

    Following Russia's goal, both clubs appeared to open up.

    The Montrealers finally thought they had scored against
    Victor Zinger at the 2:50 mark of the final period, but
    referee Frank Daigneault disallowed the goal.

    He ruled that he had blown the whistle before Gauthier
    scored. He had halted play to award a penalty to
    Romishevsky for holding at the Montreal blue-line.

    Pleau's equalizer was a picture goal, as Norm Ferguson
    drew Zinger to the corner of the net, only to have the
    Montrealer fire a goal-mouth pass to his teammate.

    The winning goal came with the Russians organizing
    behind their blue-line for an attack.

    Andre Boudrias stole the puck from a Russian attacker
    and fired a pass to Inglis.

    Inglis tested Zinger with a hard shot, but the Russian
    netminder blocked it. However, he failed to hold the
    rebound in check and it bounced to Dennis who made no
    mistake.

    The visitors will travel to Winnipeg for a game against
    Canada's national team Friday night.

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    Perfect, exactly what I looked for. I'll drop you a PM.

    P.s. so the Habs Jr got the victory on a very late goal. Also, according to the game report much more open than thought. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karsten View Post
    thanks, bekayne. Among the players named, Jean Gauthier was the only regular NHL'er (besides Plante). Would still like to see the full Habs lineup. Think I have the USSR lineup somewhere and should be able to find the game summary in Soviet news archives. Otherwise, I'll contact a person who probably got the info.

    Btw. I think that USSR only played SWE twice before coming to Canada.

    5 Dec 1965, Stockholm, SWE-USSR 2-3 (0-3, 2-0, 0-0)
    7 Dec 1965, Gothenburg, SWE-USSR 1-7 (1-1, 0-5, 0-1)

    SWE played CZE in Prague twice a few days within.

    USSR's Canada tour 1965:

    10 Dec 1965, London, CAN-USSR 0-4 (0-0, 0-3, 0-1)
    12 Dec 1965, Quebec, CAN-USSR 6-8 (1-1, 3-4, 2-3)
    15 Dec, 1965, Montreal, Montreal Jr. Canadiens - USSR 2-1
    17 Dec 1965, Winnipeg, CAN-USSR 2-6 (2-3, 0-3, 0-0)
    20 Dec 1965, Victoria, CAN - USSR 6-1 (0-0, 3-0, 3-1)
    23 Dec 1965, Winnipeg, CAN-USSR 1-4 (0-3, 0-1, 0-0)

    USSR then travelled to Colorado Springs to play the Walter Brown Memorial (27-31 Dec 1965)
    I have a few more dates from that Soviet tour:
    14 Dec 1965, Toronto, OHA-USSR 3-4
    19 Dec 1965, Spokane, Spokane Flyers-USSR 1-6
    21 Dec 1965, Regina, Regina-USSR 2-11 (though I am not certain of this one)

    The Montreal Jnr Canadiens also played aginst Sweden & the Czechs:
    22 Dec 1965, Montreal, Montreal Jr.Canadiens-Swe 2-3
    6 Jan 1966, Montreal, Montreal Jr.Canadiens-Cze 1-6

    Here's some stats for the Jr. Canadiens for that season:
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...010531966.html

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    thanks, Bekayne, the games USSR played against club teams are hard to find. This is especially a problem if you want to map how USSR started to test Canadian teams and European prof teams (e.g. Wembley Lions) in the 50s. At least I've got the results and stories of USSR's first games vs prof teams (1955) and their first Canadian tours in the late 50s.

    However, the most important game USSR played against a club team (outside the IHWC and Olympics) in the 50s and 60s was the game vs Montreal Jr. Canadiens in 1965. Hence this thread, and thanks for your help.
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    Please, help!
    Needs statistics match assembly USSR against club USA and Canada in 50-70-e year(rosters, goals)

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    G'Day......I was actually AT the game and 1stly, remember the score as 3-2 but accept that .....especially from 2013 ....memories fail and I agree on the 2-1 final score. My memories are that Jacques Plante handled something like 50 shots. It's true that this was a WATERSHED moment in pro hockey and .....to my grave......I'll never forget Plante's performance in goal. It was...bar none... the most unbelievable show I ever hope to see. I'll NEVER forget the crowd standing and cheering until Plante finally came out for several acknowledgement skates around the Forum. I could have cried when this occured this. Jack Curry, Toronto.

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