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    as a side topic, frolov, ovechkin etc. just never looked synchronised with the team, and clearly they struggle to adjust from NHL style of play to our team's style. i do believe a strong KHL where our players stay in russia and not go to NHL will help players keep our style of play and more consistent national team performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samara15 View Post
    I must disagree, there is room for beautiful hockey and russia dominated when they showed it. the lack of combination passing was the problem in the last 15 years. I wrote many posts on downfall of russian hockey. one problem is that you have guys like ovechkin, syomin, frolov who just aren't smart tactical players, rely completely on individual skill, and don't provide the defensive support as they are offensive specialists. this works in NHL since that hockey it is not much passing focused. To break and open a good organised defense like czech team, you need the passing combinations to take zones, otherwise they will outwork you and we see results of hard work from czechs. if you compare to datsyuk, who plays like a classic russian hockey and not like those guys, you see he contributed so much more and dominated. the problem in the past 15 years was NHL superstars were famous for ignored coaching staff and not following directions, the star sickness as Alessandro pointed out killed the russian teams. no team wins with this. although i believe the attitude and passing was much better with this team and the attitude was good, some of the NHL guys simply think goals will come just because they score goals in the NHL. the reality is, the players that were invisible needed to either, bring goals, play defense or at least create scoring chances through combination passing and they did nothing and it is not acceptable when datsyuk who is also tired and fatigued does bring it with maximum effect.
    The downfall of Russian hockey coincided with the fall of the USSR.
    During the Soviet era, all of the best talent remained in the country and practiced and played together virtually year round.
    The old Soviet teams were comprised typically of players from Red Army which usually made up
    half the team and the remainder from 3-4 other Soviet elite teams like Dynamo, Spartak and Wings.
    As a result, the Soviet roster were as familiar with one another as a typical professional team.
    Intricate passing drills were possible because the old national team played together so frequently.
    All of that went out the window when the Soviet Union dissolved and top Russian talent found their
    way onto NHL rosters with ever increasing regularity.
    As a result the domestic league suffered and the elite Russian talent was now scattered across NA
    playing for different NHL teams.
    When the WC were being played, Russian talent that used to be there was not often available anymore.
    And what talent Russia was able to pry from NHL teams not involved in the SC playoffs
    would now be hastily assembled just prior to the WC and as a result team chemistry was often a problem.
    In other words, Russia now faced the same dilemma other top nations faced when trying to cobble
    together national sides from what was available from the NHL.

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    I agree with most of the things being said regarding attitude by some of the russians. first of all it seems every time we go to a international tourmnament they are caught by the russian media at a club smoking cigars getting into bar fights.

    and this is the way i think of the different environment;

    in NHL it is a business. teams are marketed by one or two faces to bring brand regocnition and a dependable face to light up the goal buzzers and get the crowds cheering. Ovetchkin and many of the NHLers on this russian team are those few faces of their teams. they not only expect the whole team to play well, they expect the whole team to work for THEM, and them only. this is encouraged by the owners and the coach make the stars happy, and make sure they produce, remeber its a business.

    suddenly you drag all these guys together under the flag and they:
    A. don't know why everyone isnt kissing their ass, and
    B. can't understand why players arent sacrifices their own game to help theirs.

    the result: afinegenov can only go on so many one man charges, and geno can only give himself so many chances to rocket a puck on net with his speed.

    then you take a team like the czech republic, switzerland, germany, etc.. who ARE those worker bees, an you get magic, maybe not pretty magic, in fact it can be down right boring, but its something, and it wins games, and championships.
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    approaching warm air from the east, the Russians mass burning sticks ... Canadians are a bunch of coddled children who can not lose both in hockey and a fist, and that your glorious America retreated. What does it matter that we, the Czechs had a famous player from the NHL, we were able to our quality of our players appreciate the Czech league and those who do not care just about money, but they have hearts and national sentiment. Russian red locomotive has neither the respect that you at least for publication in the neck had received medals (I suspect is that they are werewolves and silver is burned). Canadians, instead of humbly congratulated the winners will be stupid brandishing his fists, with tears in his eyes. And what are you writing? if your nation won the gold, presenting the world championship as a pivotal event in hockey, but since you are the losers, baby it degrading to your defeat did not seem so bad. What's that there are those who have names, instead we got better ones, who know hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLAJA View Post
    I agree with most of the things being said regarding attitude by some of the russians. first of all it seems every time we go to a international tourmnament they are caught by the russian media at a club smoking cigars getting into bar fights.
    Really?
    Smoking cigars and getting into bar fights?
    Did this happen at this WC?
    Did this occur in Vancouver?
    Did this EVER happen?
    I would take anything the Russian media says with a large grain of salt, thank you very much.
    Fact of the matter, Russian hockey has enjoyed a bit of a renaissance the last few years,
    After going 14 years without gold, Russia won back to back WC's and very nearly had a third.
    We here in Canada certaimly remember Ovechkin's role in spoiling the party for Canada in Halifax in 2008.
    Russia did not win this year so obviously the spoiled rotten NHL guys are entirely to blame for this debacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maly_pivo View Post
    approaching warm air from the east, the Russians mass burning sticks ... Canadians are a bunch of coddled children who can not lose both in hockey and a fist, and that your glorious America retreated. What does it matter that we, the Czechs had a famous player from the NHL, we were able to our quality of our players appreciate the Czech league and those who do not care just about money, but they have hearts and national sentiment. Russian red locomotive has neither the respect that you at least for publication in the neck had received medals (I suspect is that they are werewolves and silver is burned). Canadians, instead of humbly congratulated the winners will be stupid brandishing his fists, with tears in his eyes. And what are you writing? if your nation won the gold, presenting the world championship as a pivotal event in hockey, but since you are the losers, baby it degrading to your defeat did not seem so bad. What's that there are those who have names, instead we got better ones, who know hockey.
    I got a feeling you are trying to say something, but i have no idea what it might be. An advice from one Czech to another, stop embarrassing us and go post(troll) somewhere where you can make yourself understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatleysucks View Post
    Really?
    Smoking cigars and getting into bar fights?
    Did this happen at this WC?
    Did this occur in Vancouver?
    Did this EVER happen?
    I would take anything the Russian media says with a large grain of salt, thank you very much.
    Fact of the matter, Russian hockey has enjoyed a bit of a renaissance the last few years,
    After going 14 years without gold, Russia won back to back WC's and very nearly had a third.
    We here in Canada certaimly remember Ovechkin's role in spoiling the party for Canada in Halifax in 2008.
    Russia did not win this year so obviously the spoiled rotten NHL guys are entirely to blame for this debacle.
    However the Russian media did not only report about it, they had an actual footage which clearly showed the players smoking and to me it looked like they were up for a party and not hockey games. I saw it somewhere, but don´t have the link.

    And, btw wasn´t it actually Iľja Kovalčuk who spoiled the party for Canada in Halifax 08? I seem to remember him scoring the tying and winning goal.
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    Anyone who thinks NHL superstars - Russian or not - ignore their NHL coaches and don't play within their team's system has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

    Also, I don't know how anyone could place Alexander Semin or Alex Frolov lower on the Russian depth chart than the ZZM guys. Mind boggling.

    I agree with Heatleysucks' post #52 - that's what has happened to the Russian machine.

    As for this year, the Russians got upset by a team that wasn't as good, but received a huge goaltending performance and some lucky breaks. Upsets are part of sports; they happen.

    The Czechs lost to Norway but beat the Russians for the gold - unpredictability in sports on occasion is part of what makes sports interesting.

    As for the Russian NHL players - they tried. They played hard. So did the KHL guys on the Russian team. They all cared, and they all tried their best.

    And they got upset by a Cinderella team.

    It happens sometimes.

    I don't think there's blame to be placed.

    Rather, the proper thing to do is tip your cap to the Czechs, who overachieved and won the gold.

    Russia would not have won gold in Canada in 2008 without their NHL'ers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatleysucks View Post
    Really?
    Smoking cigars and getting into bar fights?
    Did this happen at this WC?
    Did this occur in Vancouver?
    Did this EVER happen?
    I would take anything the Russian media says with a large grain of salt, thank you very much.
    Fact of the matter, Russian hockey has enjoyed a bit of a renaissance the last few years,
    After going 14 years without gold, Russia won back to back WC's and very nearly had a third.
    We here in Canada certaimly remember Ovechkin's role in spoiling the party for Canada in Halifax in 2008.
    Russia did not win this year so obviously the spoiled rotten NHL guys are entirely to blame for this debacle.
    cleary you have NO clue what your talking about. maybe in canada you don't have this news but it was everywhere in the russian news. they had video footage of several players in a club/bar smoking. this also happened in vancouver minus the smoking part, and in 2005 WC i rememebr clearly the russian media caught pictures of one the players getting into a small pushing match in a bar in austria.

    it got so bad that this year the russian players took a pact not to speak to the russian media because they felt that they were ruining party, and "imortality" attitude. it is even known that they have "techniques" to put the russian media off track by exiting their hotels back entrances early in the morning and changing vehicles, things like this.

    how about you do some research before you make assumptions. this stuff is going on, you are just unaware to it.
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    here are 2 well known canadian sources (including state owned news corporation, cbc) with articles about the incident:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rt-rail-hockey

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stor...-puffgate.html


    and here is the video for WC 2010 "puffegate" as reported all over the canadian media (they even gave it a name and you still don't know?? seems untruthfull to dispute my post when you don't follow your own media!!):

    http://www.lifesports.ru/news/23835

    also you can see kovalchuk with the blue pants with the white stripe near the end of the video having difficulty getting into the car, and he is clearly intoxicated.

    Nikulin has leather jacket with horizontal strip, and he is smoking.

    also in video smoking is: Mozyakin, and Atyushov
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLAJA View Post
    cleary you have NO clue what your talking about. maybe in canada you don't have this news but it was everywhere in the russian news. they had video footage of several players in a club/bar smoking. this also happened in vancouver minus the smoking part, and in 2005 WC i rememebr clearly the russian media caught pictures of one the players getting into a small pushing match in a bar in austria.

    it got so bad that this year the russian players took a pact not to speak to the russian media because they felt that they were ruining party, and "imortality" attitude. it is even known that they have "techniques" to put the russian media off track by exiting their hotels back entrances early in the morning and changing vehicles, things like this.

    how about you do some research before you make assumptions. this stuff is going on, you are just unaware to it.
    Well, excuuuse me!
    No we didn't hear about this in the Canadian media.
    Sounds like your media are basically like the Fleet Street type tabloids...constantly on the prowl for salacious
    gossip stories on celebrities, including athletes.
    Of course, all these purported stories of debauchery are the gospel truth and the Russian media
    would NEVER publish or broadcast anything that wasn't 100% true....just like the old days.

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    Oh no! god have mercy on their souls or whichever divine power, or purpose you believe in. They smoked, and were having a good night on the town in the summer, it's the end of the world. I bet over 95% of the people who complain about this couldn't last a week in a training program with these guys.

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    i only saw highlights on youtube of the game because i had to miss it because i was on a weekend of vacation but what was the call on Emelin hit on Jagr i noticed you already had discussion on how it was clean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    Anyone who thinks NHL superstars - Russian or not - ignore their NHL coaches and don't play within their team's system has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

    Also, I don't know how anyone could place Alexander Semin or Alex Frolov lower on the Russian depth chart than the ZZM guys. Mind boggling.

    I agree with Heatleysucks' post #52 - that's what has happened to the Russian machine.

    As for this year, the Russians got upset by a team that wasn't as good, but received a huge goaltending performance and some lucky breaks. Upsets are part of sports; they happen.

    The Czechs lost to Norway but beat the Russians for the gold - unpredictability in sports on occasion is part of what makes sports interesting.

    As for the Russian NHL players - they tried. They played hard. So did the KHL guys on the Russian team. They all cared, and they all tried their best.

    And they got upset by a Cinderella team.

    It happens sometimes.

    I don't think there's blame to be placed.

    Rather, the proper thing to do is tip your cap to the Czechs, who overachieved and won the gold.

    Russia would not have won gold in Canada in 2008 without their NHL'ers.
    with all respect, you might not have all the information if you don't live here.
    all you have to do is see the individual play in past tournaments at to see. it is well known that coaches had a difficult time to have certain NHL players follow instructions and not play solo. this was a very well known problem of russian players ignoring coaches at past world championships, and there have been many interviews with various former coaches and players involved have stated this on our TV. it is part of the start sickness we have mentioned. I would also like to note, this team did not display that at this tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatleysucks View Post
    The downfall of Russian hockey coincided with the fall of the USSR.
    During the Soviet era, all of the best talent remained in the country and practiced and played together virtually year round.
    The old Soviet teams were comprised typically of players from Red Army which usually made up
    half the team and the remainder from 3-4 other Soviet elite teams like Dynamo, Spartak and Wings.
    As a result, the Soviet roster were as familiar with one another as a typical professional team.
    Intricate passing drills were possible because the old national team played together so frequently.
    All of that went out the window when the Soviet Union dissolved and top Russian talent found their
    way onto NHL rosters with ever increasing regularity.
    As a result the domestic league suffered and the elite Russian talent was now scattered across NA
    playing for different NHL teams.
    When the WC were being played, Russian talent that used to be there was not often available anymore.
    And what talent Russia was able to pry from NHL teams not involved in the SC playoffs
    would now be hastily assembled just prior to the WC and as a result team chemistry was often a problem.
    In other words, Russia now faced the same dilemma other top nations faced when trying to cobble
    together national sides from what was available from the NHL.
    I agree with many of the points, however 1 key thing, as I mentioned, the difference in soviet times was that all the teams played the same way, even if you brought players from 20 different clubs, they could all fit in as the tactical and passing game was taught the same. now, the players style is whatever league they play in, ovechkin or syomin are not typical russian style players, and they struggle in that system, they are much more NHL style players datsyuk is and he plays strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samara15 View Post
    as a side topic, frolov, ovechkin etc. just never looked synchronised with the team, and clearly they struggle to adjust from NHL style of play to our team's style. i do believe a strong KHL where our players stay in russia and not go to NHL will help players keep our style of play and more consistent national team performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post

    Also, I don't know how anyone could place Alexander Semin or Alex Frolov lower on the Russian depth chart than the ZZM guys. Mind boggling.
    You contradict yourself. First you say that the Czechs have a good TEAM, that Russians play selfishly (even though I don't get how kovalchuk's 2 goals and 9 assists can be considered selfish) and so on, then you put a list of players over a line
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    Quote Originally Posted by samara15 View Post
    with all respect, you might not have all the information if you don't live here.
    all you have to do is see the individual play in past tournaments at to see. it is well known that coaches had a difficult time to have certain NHL players follow instructions and not play solo. this was a very well known problem of russian players ignoring coaches at past world championships, and there have been many interviews with various former coaches and players involved have stated this on our TV. it is part of the start sickness we have mentioned.

    I would also like to note, this team did not display that at this tournament.
    Well, if this team did not display this "sickness" in this tournament, why are they being vilified?
    Russia had won two straight WC's...something that had not been done since 1989-90.
    They came heart breakingly close to a third.
    Yet despite playing in three straight gold medal games and winning two, these players are
    being treated like pariahs by their national media.
    Sorry, I can't comprehend that.
    I could understand the scorn if they failed to make it out of the qualification round, like they
    did in St. Petersburg in 2000.
    But I thought this team competed well and played honourably throughout this tournament.
    I wonder if they had won on Sunday would we be hearing any of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatleysucks View Post
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    Well, if this team did not display this "sickness" in this tournament, why are they being vilified?
    Russia had won two straight WC's...something that had not been done since 1989-90.
    They came heart breakingly close to a third.
    Yet despite playing in three straight gold medal games and winning two, these players are
    being treated like pariahs by their national media.
    Sorry, I can't comprehend that.
    I could understand the scorn if they failed to make it out of the qualification round, like they
    did in St. Petersburg in 2000.
    But I thought this team competed well and played honourably throughout this tournament.
    I wonder if they had won on Sunday would we be hearing any of this?
    they are being vilified because russia expectation was high. if you read my prior posts, the players played much better than before and were more unified but the big stars like ovechkin and syomin played badly and didn't deliver like they should yet again. that is the base of frustration. yes, they played well and the performances were good, but at this level, even though they won gold in prior 2 years, i thought they played worse before than now, but level is so close with elite teams in this type of tournament that the a few of the mentioned players needed to show but remained invisible, its hard for russian people to understand why these players can deliver when it is not needed, but repeatedly are invisible when it is needed.

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    I am really happy for Jagr & co, they deserved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Brunengraber View Post
    As for this year, the Russians got upset by a team that wasn't as good, but received a huge goaltending performance and some lucky breaks. Upsets are part of sports; they happen.

    The Czechs lost to Norway but beat the Russians for the gold - unpredictability in sports on occasion is part of what makes sports interesting.

    As for the Russian NHL players - they tried. They played hard. So did the KHL guys on the Russian team. They all cared, and they all tried their best.

    And they got upset by a Cinderella team.

    It happens sometimes.

    I don't think there's blame to be placed.


    more or less how i feel

    this silver medale is not that bad, 2 golds, 1 silver & 1 bronze from the last 4 wc's are good results, nothing to be down about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heatleysucks View Post
    Of course, all these purported stories of debauchery are the gospel truth and the Russian media
    would NEVER publish or broadcast anything that wasn't 100% true....just like the old days.
    again...the environment is so different here there is a saying: "in america you read the news and you do not think twice about its truth, in the soviet union you read the news and you know its false so you have to be critical and find the truth for yourself."

    I was born in the dying days of the soviet union, but this mentality has been passed down to me, you can be sarcastic but i know that I would not lie in sharing a news report if i knew it was false, video does not lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kun View Post
    Oh no! god have mercy on their souls or whichever divine power, or purpose you believe in. They smoked, and were having a good night on the town in the summer, it's the end of the world. I bet over 95% of the people who complain about this couldn't last a week in a training program with these guys.
    ok what would be your honest feelings if crosby got drunk, and pronger, perry, and toews were smoking THE NIGHT BEOFRE A NATIONAL TEAM GAME?

    it is about concentration, dedication to the gold, and respect for the flag, if they do this in celebration like your females at Olys then we think nothing of it, getting drunk and smoking is arguably the most important part of russian culture ().
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    fun videos of czechs in their locker-room celabrating win. any resident czechs who can translate whats being said???

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGZ5LWsbU_s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZzwQDR9k4c
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    Well I should say it looks not so dramatic as at first time. CZE did their's best and with a little luck that was quite enough to get the Gold. Usual Chech patience and concentration vs Russian cavalry). Not a nice game at all, though both sides with big hearts and passion.
    Congrats Czech Republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLAJA View Post
    fun videos of czechs in their locker-room celabrating win. any resident czechs who can translate whats being said???

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGZ5LWsbU_s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZzwQDR9k4c
    Well... Really nothing important. A lot of f-words, asses, pussies etc. Just one nice thing. Tomas Rolinek said something like:"And this is especially for our young guys... Remember that this is colective sport there is no room for individualities. You have to play like a team and then you can win like a team."


    And... It iwas in that video too. Kdo neskace neni Cech! Hop, hop, hop. (Who's not jumping is not Czech. Hop=something like jump)
    Have you tried turning it off and on again?
    Better now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nameless one View Post
    Well... Really nothing important. A lot of f-words, asses, pussies etc. Just one nice thing. Tomas Rolinek said something like:"And this is especially for our young guys... Remember that this is colective sport there is no room for individualities. You have to play like a team and then you can win like a team."


    And... It iwas in that video too. Kdo neskace neni Cech! Hop, hop, hop. (Who's not jumping is not Czech. Hop=something like jump)
    A little bit of class from Rolinek, great stuff.

    Also, it's great to see you back here, it's been a while hasn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    A little bit of class from Rolinek, great stuff.

    Also, it's great to see you back here, it's been a while hasn't it?
    Well as you can see I dont have much time anymore to visit hockey forums. :( So I usually come by only around big international tournaments. Also used to visit another forums but I became quite tired of all those Canadiens that ate all the hockey wisdom of the world and cant say:Ok you were better.

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