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    Quote Originally Posted by Steigs View Post
    Curious decision. Will the team take the name of one of the three clubs, or will it take a different name altogether?

    Also, what will this do for the other clubs? Will they simply not play with a senior team, or will they merely play the 6-game national championship?
    Team name will be Team Zagreb (because it represents the best players from the City of Zagreb ;-) . It was made because all the players that will play for this selection will still be members of their respective clubs (med, mla, zg).


    Croatian championship will consist of four clubs (Medvescak 2, Mladost, Zagreb, Sisak). Championship will start earlier this season and will have more rounds (four if rumors are correct).
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    Players invited in the Team Zagreb camp

    Goalies :
    Vanja Belić (Medveščak)
    Matija Tačković (Zagreb)
    Ivan Krpes (Mladost)
    Filip Ćurković (Medveščak)
    Andrej Vasiljević (Medveščak)
    Tihomir Filipec (Medveščak)

    Defenders :
    Marko Ljubić (Mladost)
    Saša Belić (Medveščak)
    Luka Novosel (Medveščak)
    Marko Tadić (Mladost)
    Nikola Senzel (Medveščak)
    Nikša Trstenjak (Medveščak)
    Mario Sertić (Medveščak)
    Igor Jačmenjak (Mladost)
    Ivan Šijan (Medveščak)
    Danijel Plahutar (Mladost)
    Tomislav Šulevski (Medveščak)
    Matija Videk (Zagreb)
    Borna Jutriša (Medveščak)
    Jurica Ivšac ( Mladost)
    Filip Smerdelj (Mladost)

    Forwards:
    Veljko Žibret (Medveščak)
    Mato Mlađenović (Medveščak)
    Krešimir Švigir (Medveščak)
    Mario Novak (Mladost)
    Tomislav Čunko (Mladost)
    Janko Kučera (Mladost)
    Miro Smerdelj (Mladost)
    Tomislav Grozaj (Mladost)
    Damir Jakovac (Mladost)
    Tadija Mirić (Mladost)
    Nikola Grahovar (Mladost)
    Zvonimir Lovrenčić (Medveščak)
    Mario Čunko (Medveščak)
    Hrvoje Božić (Medveščak)
    Milan Belojević (Medveščak)
    Luka Ulaga (Medveščak)
    Igor Lazić (Medveščak)
    Jan Žižanović (Medveščak)
    Ivan Brenčun (Medveščak)
    Janko Šupih Kvaternik (Medveščak)
    Matija Kopajtić (Mladost)
    Luka Ruždjak (Mladost)
    Domagoj Božić (Mladost)
    Alan Franjković (Mladost)
    Damir Gojanović (Medveščak)
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    Partizan 2010/2011

    g:
    John Murray (usa - Johnstown Chiefs, ECHL)
    Sinisa Paunovic
    Aleksandar Kuveljic

    d:
    Patrick Quellet (can - Univ. of Western Ontario, CIS)
    Mitja Sotlar (slo - Milano Rossoblu, ITALY2)
    Matt Hanson (can - Arizona Sundogs, CHL)
    Goran Ristic
    Ivan Tumbas
    Stefan Ilic

    f:
    Anze Terlikar (slo - hk jesenice, AUT/SLO)
    Jarrett Konkle (can - Johnstown Chiefs, Elmira Jackals, Alaska Aces, ECHL)
    Marko Kovacevic
    Marko Sretovic
    Marko Milovanovic
    Boris Gabric
    Marko Prokic
    Milos Babic
    Pavle Ogrizovic
    Srdjan Ristic
    Nenad Rakovic
    Dragan Komazec
    Nikola Glavonjic


    p.s.
    Roster is not final. Maybe some players will join the team during the season, like Fred Perowne and Pavel Popravko (he still waiting Srb passport), and maybe some more?.

    Partizan at 7.sept go to Slovakia, trainings and playing some friendly games.
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    There is no Medvescak II team. A farm team means that all the players are different. The only difference between what people here seem to call Medvescak 1 and Medvescak 2 is that Medvescak 1 is in Ebel where more foreign players are allowed. The 2 is used only to differentiate the team that has fewer foreign players on the team. That is not enough to call the team a farm team.


    I like the idea of a team zagreb. So will it be called HK Zagreb? SD Zagreb? Tim Zagreb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zastava View Post
    There is no Medvescak II team. A farm team means that all the players are different. The only difference between what people here seem to call Medvescak 1 and Medvescak 2 is that Medvescak 1 is in Ebel where more foreign players are allowed. The 2 is used only to differentiate the team that has fewer foreign players on the team. That is not enough to call the team a farm team.


    I like the idea of a team zagreb. So will it be called HK Zagreb? SD Zagreb? Tim Zagreb?
    you mixed something. Last season there were no foregin players at Medvescak farm team, ok, from time to time Rajsar and Jakopic played, but 99% of players were domestic ones.

    This selection will be called "Team Zagreb".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouellette View Post
    you mixed something. Last season there were no foregin players at Medvescak farm team, ok, from time to time Rajsar and Jakopic played, but 99% of players were domestic ones.

    This selection will be called "Team Zagreb".
    He is just a provocator, famous chicago boy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouellette View Post
    Players invited in the Team Zagreb camp

    Goalies :
    Vanja Belić (Medveščak)
    Matija Tačković (Zagreb)
    Tihomir Filipec (Medveščak)

    Defenders :
    Marko Ljubić (Mladost)
    Saša Belić (Medveščak)
    Luka Novosel (Medveščak)
    Marko Tadić (Mladost)
    Nikola Senzel (Medveščak)
    Nikša Trstenjak (Medveščak)
    Mario Sertić (Medveščak)
    Igor Jačmenjak (Mladost)
    Ivan Šijan (Medveščak)
    Danijel Plahutar (Mladost)


    Forwards:
    Veljko Žibret (Medveščak)
    Mato Mlađenović (Medveščak)
    Krešimir Švigir (Medveščak)
    Mario Novak (Mladost)
    Tomislav Čunko (Mladost)
    Janko Kučera (Mladost)
    Miro Smerdelj (Mladost)
    Tomislav Grozaj (Mladost)
    Damir Jakovac (Mladost)
    Nikola Grahovar (Mladost)
    Zvonimir Lovrenčić (Medveščak)
    Mario Čunko (Medveščak)
    Hrvoje Božić (Medveščak)
    Milan Belojević (Medveščak)
    Igor Lazić (Medveščak)
    Matija Kopajtić (Mladost)
    Domagoj Božić (Mladost)
    Alan Franjković (Mladost)
    if players are commited to practice, this team will only have problems with partizan in the league

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    Who is gonna be a coach of team Zagreb?
    Hokej u Hrvatskoj ima svijetlu budućnost SAMO AKO mjerodavni ljudi rade svoj posao kako treba - Pršljen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pršljen View Post
    Who is gonna be a coach of team Zagreb?
    Coaching duo will be Bregant (Mladost) and Kolombo (assistant coach in EBEL team).

    And I agree with jokke_wiberg. If players will be serious, this team can be threat to Partizan ambitions.
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    Preseason friendly


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    you mixed something. Last season there were no foregin players at Medvescak farm team, ok, from time to time Rajsar and Jakopic played, but 99% of players were domestic ones.

    This selection will be called "Team Zagreb".
    But I don't get this - if all the players on this so called farm team actually play for the main medvescak team, then how is it a farm team? It's not. It's just the same team without a few players, right?

    In serbocroatian we don't have the word "team", so it would probably be "tim zagreb"?


    He is just a provocator, famous chicago boy....
    I don't get why you think that all my questions are stupid.


    If players will be serious, this team can be threat to Partizan ambitions.
    Ah but there is one little trick that partizan has. Foreign players. And citizenship rewards for hockey players who want to stay in serbia like popravka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coss View Post
    Preseason friendly


    HDD Bled 6 : 7 HK Olimpija
    Do you know something more about this game, how many players have Bled...do they have some older player or just the kids... and if you know did Sabados and Vucurevic played for Bled

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zastava View Post

    In serbocroatian we don't have the word "team", so it would probably be "tim zagreb"?
    First of all, serbocroatian language doesn't exist and never had existed.
    In Croatian language word "tim" doesn't exist, we use the term "momčad".

    Team Zagreb will be official name of the team and it will have English word in it's name.Not the first or the last one all over the Europe.
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    http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Pril...la-jezika.aspx

    So, after clearing up the language bullsh*t lets continue.

    Farm teams are teams where players that are not in the first team play. Some of them have "up/down" contracts (AHL/NHL) or here (Ebel/Slohokej).

    BLED:

    POSTAVA HDD BLED:

    33 PUKŠIČ PRIMOŽ

    54 BAJT MIHA

    90 MALI MITJA

    37 ČEŠNJAK MARKO

    21 KAIMEL KLEMEN

    88 BURAZIN TADEJ

    85 PIHLER GREGA

    99 KORBAR GAŠPER

    15 STAN JURE

    17 JEŠE MIHA

    13 SABADOŠ ROBERT

    4 VUČUREVIĆ NEMANJA

    11 PAVLIČ JANUŠ

    23 BOŽIČ ALJAŽ

    8 BURAZIN TEVŽ

    10 GRAH OSKAR

    68 KORPAR NEJC

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Presidente View Post
    http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Pril...la-jezika.aspx

    So, after clearing up the language bullsh*t lets continue.

    Farm teams are teams where players that are not in the first team play. Some of them have "up/down" contracts (AHL/NHL) or here (Ebel/Slohokej).

    BLED:
    Imas veceru za ovo - ako ikada budem imao priliku za to!



    p.s.
    Maybe it is early to say that only hk Partizan (with team Zagreb) will be favorites. Don't forget that Jesenice 2, Olimpija 2, Maribor, Triglav, Bled always have new players, and those players are always ready to prove that he can play good hockey.

    Last season was good example that some of oldest teams like Maribor and Partizan was beaten by young guys from Slovenia. Some players with 20 or 21 years, with some olders, can create some interesting season. But, we must wait until start of "Sloliga".

    Partizan is favorite No1 but that isn't enough to say we are the Champs, you must step 27 times in regular part, you must play playoff games - season is long... and after all, last season in Ebel Medvesak wasn't regards like team who can reach playoff, maybe 8.plays, they were new team in league... and what happend?


    My new team which I support is HDD Bled (with Partizan of course). There are some guys from my country, Robert Sabados and Nemanja Vucurevic. All the best for them.
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    First of all, serbocroatian language doesn't exist and never had existed.
    Correction. No language or culture exists. It's simply imagined. Remember the book Imagined Communities - what one could learn from that is that ethnicity is simply imagined, so basically what separates a serb and a croat, one language and another - a few words and peoples imagination.

    ;) Cheers.




    Team Zagreb will be official name of the team and it will have English word in it's name.
    Well, that's interesting.

    Is there some logo of the team? I wonder if Slohokej.net will post something about this zagreb team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BASSA View Post
    Partizan 2010/2011

    g:
    John Murray (usa - Johnstown Chiefs, ECHL)
    Sinisa Paunovic
    Aleksandar Kuveljic

    d:
    Patrick Quellet (can - Univ. of Western Ontario, CIS)
    Mitja Sotlar (slo - Milano Rossoblu, ITALY2)
    Matt Hanson (can - Arizona Sundogs, CHL)
    Goran Ristic
    Ivan Tumbas
    Stefan Ilic

    f:
    Anze Terlikar (slo - hk jesenice, AUT/SLO)
    Jarrett Konkle (can - Johnstown Chiefs, Elmira Jackals, Alaska Aces, ECHL)
    Marko Kovacevic
    Marko Sretovic
    Marko Milovanovic
    Boris Gabric
    Marko Prokic
    Milos Babic
    Pavle Ogrizovic
    Srdjan Ristic
    Nenad Rakovic
    Dragan Komazec
    Nikola Glavonjic
    Nemanja Vucurevic


    p.s.
    Roster is not final. Maybe some players will join the team during the season, like Fred Perowne and Pavel Popravko (he still waiting Srb passport), and maybe some more?.

    Partizan at 7.sept go to Slovakia, trainings and playing some friendly games.
    According to info from "Covek Senka", who is the first name of hk Partizan website, Nemanja Vucurevic is the new player of Serbian Champion.
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    Maribor - Team Zagreb 2:3

    don't have any additional infos...


    On wendesday Team Zagreb will play one more game against Graz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zastava View Post
    Correction. No language or culture exists. It's simply imagined. Remember the book Imagined Communities - what one could learn from that is that ethnicity is simply imagined, so basically what separates a serb and a croat, one language and another - a few words and peoples imagination.
    I agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alessandro Seren Rosso View Post
    I agree
    I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alessandro Seren Rosso View Post
    I agree
    so, youre sugesting that russians-ukainians, americans-canadians, swedish-norweagens are basicly same thing. right?

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    HD Mladi Jesenice - VSV U20 3:2 (2:1, 1:0, 0:1)
    Scorers for Jesenice: Nik Lahajnar, Urban Sodja 2x


    HD Mladi Jesenice - HK Olimpija 0:7 (0:3, 0:2, 0:2)
    Scorers: Pilko 3, Burin, Podobnik, Sodržnik, Florjančič


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    friendly game

    Team Zagreb - Junior Graz 99ers 1:5 (0:1, 0:3, 1:1)



    0:1 GRA Zusevic (Schuller, Mayer) 19'
    0:2 GRA Laritz (Gratzer) 25'
    0:3 GRA Schuller (Zusevic, Peicha) 26'
    0:4 GRA Mayer (Zusevic, Schuller) 32' PP1
    0:5 GRA Mayer 47'
    1:5 TZG Mlađenović (Novak) SH 57'


    Team Zagreb is more or less our NT that stayed in the Division 1 back in 2008. and 2009.

    2008 : Cro-Ukr 0:4
    Cro-Jpn 0:3
    Cro-Est 2:1so
    Cro-Hun 0:3
    Cro-Ltu 3:5



    and now they lost against Graz juniors with same result as against Ukraine only two years ago ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouellette View Post
    Team Zagreb - Junior Graz 99ers 1:5 (0:1, 0:3, 1:1)

    :


    It takes a time to reastablish again the good club and that the players return to the level of few years ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouellette View Post
    Maribor - Team Zagreb 2:3

    don't have any additional infos...


    On wendesday Team Zagreb will play one more game against Graz.
    Don't you know, by chance, how many matches did Maribor play during the preseason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miklos View Post
    Don't you know, by chance, how many matches did Maribor play during the preseason?
    I don't know. Maybe some of our Sloveninan members will know better than me :)
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    Olimpija - Team Zagreb 6:2

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    strenght: Slohokej - MOL

    What we spoke before the season:

    kerusz The level in Slovenia is not higher, and the competition is not harder. I think top teams are about the same in strength, but bottom teams are weaker in the Slohokej Liga. Whilst in MOL Liga the participating teams get funding from the League which covers the travel and overnight costs, in Slohokej Liga Vasas shall pay contribution for the travel expenses of the other teams. Entry fee is much higher in Slovenia. The number of the matches are much lower than it will be in MOL Liga. Publicity (media presence) in the Slohokej Liga will be much lower (I assume no newspaper articles just plain end results and maybe goal scorers) than in MOL Liga. Attendance numbers will also be much lower than in MOL Liga (no local opponents).

    roki MOL league is just a better competition in any of aspects...( quality,attendance, sponsorhips, media....). Slohokej league is good league, but for now, MOL is just a better competition...

    BASSA Maybe it is early to say that only hk Partizan (with team Zagreb) will be favorites. Don't forget that Jesenice 2, Olimpija 2, Maribor, Triglav, Bled always have new players, and those players are always ready to prove that he can play good hockey.
    Last season was good example that some of oldest teams like Maribor and Partizan was beaten by young guys from Slovenia. Some players with 20 or 21 years, with some olders, can create some interesting season. But, we must wait until start of "Sloliga".
    Partizan is favorite No1 but that isn't enough to say we are the Champs, you must step 27 times in regular part, you must play playoff games - season is long... and after all, last season in Ebel Medvesak wasn't regards like team who can reach playoff, maybe 8.plays, they were new team in league... and what happend?


    p.s.
    Looks like it's no big deference between two leagues what we can see. Maybe last season Slohokej was stronger but I'm not sure. Every season Slovenians have new kids on 20-22 age which want to prove that he can play good hockey, and they are realy good. I think that we underestimate Slohokej league. MOL, it's my opinion, have better organisation and older players (with many players from abroad), probably there is play harder on the body, but all those guys in Slohokej is very fast and technickly on big level. Only it's pity that Bled split team into HkMk Bled and Hdd Bled 'cause they be stronger if they play like one. Team Zagreb is on the 7.plays, Partizan is on the 3.plays with 6 abroad players??? - and we spoked that it is weaker league. Is they be weaker with some 5 Canadians on their roster (Maribor, Triglav, Olimpija2, Jesenice2, Hdd Bled, Slavija, Team Zagreb, Graz2)??? - think about that.

    But, yes, it will be better that Partizan play MOL 'cause I have time to visit many of games in Hungary (not just a few games in season). Slovenia is too far for me, for travel.



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    Before Continental cup, I was convinsed that MOL is a much better league.....but, now I would say that definitely it is not a big difference between these two league, they are probably even in the quality if we looked all clubs in these leagues....
    Maybe the best is that they join in one league, but it is impossible becouse of big travel distance....and a lot of teams in these two leagues...
    I would say that from the aspects of teams quality MOL is equal with Slohokej , with small differences...
    Young players from Slovenia are very good, and they have a lot of these kids...
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    2011/12 Slohokej

    V naslednji sezoni bo v Slohokej ligi 9 moštev:
    Olimpija II, Maribor, Triglav, Mladi Jesenice II, HDD Bled, Slavija
    Team Zagreb, Mladost, Partizan

    Ekipe bodo doma in v gosteh proti vsaki odigrale po 2 tekmi, se pravi vsega skupaj bo 32 krogov. Sezona se bo pričela 21. sptembra, redni del pa se bo končal 8. februarja.


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    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=57679
    Rober Sabados signed 3 year contract with Dab.Docler (11/12, 12/13, 13/14).
    HDD Bled (slo) -> Dab.Docler (hun)


    Több új játékos igazolását jelentette be Azari Zsolt, a Dab.Docler ügyvezetője. Az Acélbikák kapus, védő, illetve csatár poszton is erősítettek, s megtették ajánlatukat a csapat kiszemelt vezetőedzőjének is.
    Az már biztos, hogy Kiss Tamás egyéves fővárosi kitérő után visszatért az Acélbikákhoz. Így Rajna Miklós után egy újabb dunaújvárosi nevelésű kapussal sikerült bővíteni a keretet. Szintén a Vasastól érkezik a 19 esztendős védő, Nagy Richárd, aki kétéves szerződést írt alá. Három évre kötelezte el magát az Acélbikákhoz az 1989-ben született csatár, Szabados Róbert. Ő az elmúlt évet a szlovén HK Bleddel a Slohokey Ligában játszotta végig, előtte pedig a Crvena zvezda juniorban jégkorongozott. Azari Zsolt szerint a szabadkai születésű, szerb állampolgárságú szélső játékához nagy reményeket fűznek, mert képességei alapján pótolhatja a Volánhoz távozott Magosi Bálintot. A szintén dunaújvárosi nevelésű Strenk Hunorral szóban már megállapodott az újvárosi vezetőség, mely a napokban megkezdte a tárgyalásokat a ferencvárosi Dancsfalvi Norberttel, valamint a fehérvári Pilcsik Tamással is.
    Azari Zsolt elmondta, a Dab.Docler végleges keretére még várni kell, ám a közeljövőben minden, a csapattal kapcsolatos kérdésre válasz születhet. További két-három magyar játékos érkezése várható, s mellettük öt légiós leigazolását tervezik. Az ő személyük nagyban függ attól, ki lesz a csapat vezetőedzője. A Dab.Docler már megtette ajánlatát a Vasas korábbi trénerének, Glen Williamsonnak, s várja a kanadai szakember visszajelzését. Amennyiben nem sikerülne megegyezni vele, úgy további két-három név van még a kalapban. Az egyértelmű, hogy az eddig sikeres kanadai vonalon halad tovább a Dab.Docler.
    Forrás: dunaujvaros.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by BASSA View Post
    2011/12 Slohokej



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    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=57679
    Rober Sabados signed contract with Dab.Docler (11/12, 12/13, 13/14).
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    Maybe it was better for him to stay in HK Spartak and to have a bright future


    I wish him all the best in Dunaujvaros

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    As You can see in Bassa's post Croatia will be represented with two teams, Team Zagreb and Mladost.

    As Mladost will play on its own, Team Zagreb will consist of Medvescak's farm team players and probably few from Zagreb (only Zagreb's player last year in Team Zagreb was goalie Tackovic). While Mladost, with goalie no weaker than Vanja Belić, can be legitimate candidate for top4, I am afraid that Team Zagreb could struggle again. Mladost players were core of that team and now they are gone...

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    Jačmenjak also from Zagreb played few games for Team Zagreb.

    EDIT: can someone make a new thread from this latest few posts that talk about new season.
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    Hockey in Croatia has a bright future ONLY IF relevant people do their job right - Pršljen

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    I'll make it this evening.

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